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Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Amazing work and progress. The previous version appears almost toyish in comparison. FYI uBlock Origin complains about the registration link, because it on "Peter Lowe’s Ad and tracking server list".

That's because it bounces the registration link through a tracker.

If you're OK with being tracked, you can permanently allow that domain.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Hey HN, one of the team members here! I hope you all enjoy playing with the new and improved generator! We've been hard at work improving the model quality since the last time the site was posted[1] As both a professional fantasy illustrator & software engineer, I find the concept of AI creativity so fascinating. On one hand, I know that mathematically AI only can hallucinate images that fit within the distribution o…

I wonder what an AI trained to spot deepfake Waifu's will detect. In humans, things like the pupil can be the give away. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2289815-ai-can-detect-a...

Highlight the pixels with high sharp values. Should be doable.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naïvely I thought Waifu generator was just “some guy having a laugh” fine-tuning a model off of hugging face, but reading through the comments here, it is obviously a much, much bigger enterprise. Can you talk a little about team size, work process, funding and revenue stream? I think the effort required for such an undertaking is vastly underestimated by readers.

Right now it's a small team of 6 people, and we have a bit of funding + compute credits to train models. There's a bit of revenue from some past projects and AI-consulting, but we're mostly betting big on our new AI-powerd mobile title Arrowmancer[1]. > I think the effort required for such an undertaking is vastly underestimated by readers. Haha for sure. Hosting a real-time ML model for people to do sub 1-second inf…

Waifulabs is certainly a good marketing instrument for Arrowmancer. And regardless of whether the game gains traction it will be a great showcase in case you ever want to offer this as an API for other mobile game creators.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course we can entertain the notion. We just shouldn't pretend the question is settled one way or the other like the two comments above and pointlessly argue about it on hn. Personally I'm inclined to see things like GPT-3 as qualitatively different to human creativity, but I don't claim to know this for a fact.

Well, but also, if you think that GPT or TWDNE are different from creativity, when they look similar to creativity on the face of it, I do think it's not enough to say "well I think it's a different thing", you should actually put out there where you think that human creativity materially diverges from the output of an ANN. I just think there's a lot of people arguing "well this can't be creativity" out of some sort…

You say I'm required to "put out there where [I] think that human creativity materially diverges from the output of an ANN" but you state your opinion with as little support as I did. Both are just opinions.

My views on the matter have nothing to do with being "anti-AI" or "signalling" to anyone, and the latter suggestion is mildly offensive. Like many here, while being no sort of expert I've thought quite a lot about these questions and have fairly detailed views about them. I suspect strong AI is possible and will not require new fundamental physics or anything like that. However, I suspect that if it is achieved it will be of a very different nature to GPT-3 etc and to ML in general. I don't think the behaviour demonstrated by these systems so far resembles human creativity, understanding or reasoning at all, although they are capable of impressive and fascinating things. I'd go so far as to say the differences seem, to me at least, rather obvious, if difficult to define. However, I'm open to alternative views and to the possibility I may be wrong.

I greatly enjoy discussing these sorts of things, but adversarial exchanges on hn filled with ad-hominems aren't the way I like to do it.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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This is extremely impressive. It’s the first GAN I have seen which lets you tweak the result in a meaningful way rather than being just random. I think the speed that GANs have come in to the world has really shaken people up and it’s hard to process what this all means and what it will result in. Especially the ones which generate based on real people. But the feeling this gives me, is what happens for the future of…

Haha, this is something that constantly ponder, while I am developing this product. Though, the conclusion I've come to is that that hand-drawn art will always meaningful for humans, because it is born of the human experience. An interesting example is the invention of photography, which at its time, was very good at doing the thing artists were doing back then (capturing likenesses) But photography didn't replace ar…

One thing to consider is the number of artists employed by businesses. I dont have actual numbers but i know video game companies employs many. Businesses have different values than an individual human, and won't care if the art is made by a computer if its cheaper and passable. Theres also huge market for NSFW art. Whos going to know who or what made the image?

Comparing photography to hand drawn art is silly. They are two different mediums.

Your company could be the first to capture the market. I guess if you can sleep with the consequences of your work,who cares? Im not judging because if its not you, it will be someone else.

Personally i think we as a society need to step back and press pause and really consider the consequences of this technology, and even existing technologies.

If you become rich, could you set up a charity for all the future starving artists, if that future comes to pass? I dont want to live in a world where theres no room for human creativity.

Not an artist, just a concerned human.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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post #28

Is there any way to approximate embeddings for a novel image? novel meaning user provided, not generated by the model or in the training set.

Not at the moment in our tool, though this is an area of great curiosity and research for us!

Does the discriminator model translate the images into an embedding space of it's own? Could such a space be used to generate images themselves?

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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post #2

Hey HN, one of the team members here! I hope you all enjoy playing with the new and improved generator! We've been hard at work improving the model quality since the last time the site was posted[1] As both a professional fantasy illustrator & software engineer, I find the concept of AI creativity so fascinating. On one hand, I know that mathematically AI only can hallucinate images that fit within the distribution o…

Hello and thank you for answering questions. The following is a quote from your article:

>> It is interesting to note that from this process, the AI is not merely learning to copy the works it has seen, but forming high-level (shapes) and low-level (texture) features for constructing original pictures in its own mental representation.

Can you explain what you mean by "mental" representation? Does your system have a mind?

Also, why are you calling it "an AI"? Is it because you think it is an artificial intelligence, say like the robots in science fiction movies? Is it capable of anything else than generating images?

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to see how it generates late-80s/early-90s style features. The current pool of anime art styles are very generic (aside stylistic outliers) and I'd love to see Cowboy Bebop/Akira/Bubblegum Crisis type character designs

Miyazaki's style of character design and fantasy would be amazing.

Agreed.

In many ways Miyazaki's style is "nonstandard" for anime, possibly because he was partly inspired by European artists (think Moebius, whose influences can be seen in Nausicaa for example).

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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post #74

This isn't really creativity is it? I like to call stuff like this statistical copying, and indeed, the linked Wikipedia article on GANs says: > Given a training set, this technique learns to generate new data with the same statistics as the training set. There isn't a creative process here nor any creative introspection going on. While the technical results are impressive, this article does not address creativity ev…

What makes you think human creativity is anything more than statistical modelling? What else can it be, based as it is in a physical substrate? Objections like yours are usually a sneaky way of implying that human consciousness breaks free of the physical world, cartesian dualism hidden within people's arguments. "It cannot be creative because it's only bits/cogs/linear algebra/etc/etc." Well describe to me the way i…

>> What makes you think human creativity is anything more than statistical modelling?

For example, humans don't need to see millions of examples of waifu before they can draw their own.

Also, humans can draw in different styles, including novel styles that look nothing like styles they have seen before. Statistical models like GANs can only draw in styles similar to the ones in their training sets.

Statistical modelling can only represent the data in a training dataset and is incapable of novelty. Humans are capable of novelty.

>> Well describe to me the way it is different to the processes of the human brain?

We haven't created the human brain and it's very unlikely it uses a technology we understand, like linear algebra.

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