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Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by lamontcg »

roxaaaane wrote: post #123

What's with the hostility towards the subreddit? I am surprised by the HN reaction to it. I think that unless you are working minimum wage you don't get to call the sub "nihilistic, apathetic or zoomer adhd" if anything most of the members were essential workers during covid and struggle to afford basic living otherwise they would not be angry. I am very surprised by the comments in the thread to be honest, if you wo…

Also the people who are shitting on them are probably the same kinds of people constantly job hopping looking for a higher paying job and more social clout.

Half of the antiwork sub is just bringing that mentality to the lower paid workplaces, that when you've got a bad boss who is hiring new people at a higher salary than you, then you should find a new job that pays better and fuck all the loyalty nonsense. Bad bosses deserve to be stuck with bad employees or no employees. Nobody should put up with that. Workers should be aggressively suing over wage theft.

But cue the emotional meltdown over how they're all just complainers, while your job hopping is just smart...

Company loyalty for thee, but not for me...

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by mikewarot »

gruez wrote: post #154
mikewarot wrote: post #103

I think that this is a great way to cover up the problem with the wave of people disabled by Long Covid falling out of the work force. Blame it instead on a vocal group of slackers. It's going to work, everyone will blame them, and Covid keeps getting ignored.

>I think that this is a great way to cover up the problem with the wave of people disabled by Long Covid falling out of the work force. I must have missed the memo about the hoards of workers being disabled by long covid. Can you link me to it?

https://www.barrons.com/articles/labor-shortage-workers-mill...

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by blockwriter »

alanlammiman wrote: post #144
blockwriter wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you compensate work if their equity position needs to be maintained in perpetuity but the value of their work remains the same? If I worked retail at Nordstroms in 2006, I would have needed to earn pennies a week to balance out the next 60 to 70 years of equity I have in the company.

well maybe if you made $20/h in cash and the share price is $20 you get 1 share/h. You can sell it (so you dont need to keep the equity in perpetuity) but if you live off $15, that you can have $5 (plus/minus appreciation/depreciation &dividends) shares in 60y time is a feature not a bug. Or maybe you have some mechanism whereby people have to sell back their shares when they leave (like partners at professional serv…

Maybe, but the share price is unlikely to be $20, or anything close to an hourly wage, if the company is paying all of its employees in equity positions.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by scruple »

PickledHotdog wrote: post #151

I'd be interested to hear the ages of people belittling /r/antiwork It seems to me that many are blind to the fact that there's generations of people coming through who are getting dudded on the "work hard and you'll at least be comfortable" agreement of previous generations. Instead they're learning that they'll work hard and that's all they'll do until they die. Wage stagnation, sky-rocketing cost of living, deteri…

> I'd be interested to hear the ages of people belittling /r/antiwork

I'd be more interested in hearing what social class they're in.

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

namelessoracle wrote: post #159
Kavelach wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. The importance of those people has been proven when, during the first waves of COVID, they stopped being called low wage workers , and instead words like essential workers were used much more often. I worked as an essential worker when I was in high-school, and the amount of shit I had to put up was insane. Your boss is screwing you over, one way or another, the people you service dem…

My analogy is to look at your computer. Screws are essential, but you can probably go without a few and if one breaks you will just throw it away and get another one. A graphics card is expensive, and the computer might still work in some core ways without it! Yet that you might try to get repaired and go through an annoying RGA process to get a new one. Which type of worker is the screw and which one is the graphics…

The analogy is ok if you only consider the capitalist's point of view. Screws don't need health care not do they have children that have to pay for college.

If you want to also consider the worker's point of view, you need think of things like cost of living vs salary and unionizing. Computer part analogies are much too naive for that.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by mgh2 »

PickledHotdog wrote: post #151

I'd be interested to hear the ages of people belittling /r/antiwork It seems to me that many are blind to the fact that there's generations of people coming through who are getting dudded on the "work hard and you'll at least be comfortable" agreement of previous generations. Instead they're learning that they'll work hard and that's all they'll do until they die. Wage stagnation, sky-rocketing cost of living, deteri…

Maybe this was a misunderstanding, like a focus group: the pains are legit, just not the solution

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

cybarDOTlive wrote: post #84
version_five wrote: post #7

It shouldn't be completely dismissed, but I think the forum is more about how an unhappy (or angry) minority have found each other, and the people that like to read their stories. I don't think that r/antiwork should be taken as representative of anything, including a broader movement. It's the same with twitter, there is a committed vocal and angry group, but it's not real life

Though I'm not one to generally say this or that subreddit should be banned, reddit has destroyed many a thousand times less subversive ones than this in the past, like /r/whitebeautyart. So I don't see why this kind of nihilistic, apathetic, passive attitude should be encouraged. Yes, something like this actually deserves to be removed, especially when it reaches critical mass. Because it does more harm than good to…

Maybe forcing workers to work when a hurricane is approaching or not increasing the minimum wage for decades while cost of living skyrocketed was the real detriment all along.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

lamontcg wrote: post #161
roxaaaane wrote: post #123

What's with the hostility towards the subreddit? I am surprised by the HN reaction to it. I think that unless you are working minimum wage you don't get to call the sub "nihilistic, apathetic or zoomer adhd" if anything most of the members were essential workers during covid and struggle to afford basic living otherwise they would not be angry. I am very surprised by the comments in the thread to be honest, if you wo…

Also the people who are shitting on them are probably the same kinds of people constantly job hopping looking for a higher paying job and more social clout. Half of the antiwork sub is just bringing that mentality to the lower paid workplaces, that when you've got a bad boss who is hiring new people at a higher salary than you, then you should find a new job that pays better and fuck all the loyalty nonsense. Bad bos…

Ah the good old "fuck you I got mine" philosophy.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by dang »

scollet wrote: post #117
scollet wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Fuck you.

Hey, can you please not break the site guidelines like this? You've been doing it repeatedly, and we ban that sort of account. I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs

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Post by likpok »

pydry wrote: post #135
likpok wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legaladvice is also a place people love to put creative writing, so I’m not sure how much you can take from that.

Do you have a list of recent examples of this where it is clearly true or is this just you assuming that something being on the internet means it's made up? Coz Im struggling to see how you could believe that the 99% of overwhelmingly mundane stories about e.g. giving notice or how to deal with health and safety issues at work would become grist for creative writing. It makes zero sense.

I stopped reading a couple years ago after it was clear that many of the most interesting posts were fictional. There was a series written by someone styling themselves as the "troll queen" (all under different accounts). In general I think the increasing popularity driven by bestoflegaladvice made things worse.

Yes, the boring posts are probably real and I never claimed otherwise. But the posts people remember and engage with are not the boring posts and have a much more mixed track record. There have been cases both of "someone creates updates with an impossible resolution/schedule", "post describing the opposite point of view of a recently popular post comes up" and "post touching on hot-button internet arguments". You can argue that only the first category must be a fake, but the rest pop up with a suspicious frequency.

Similarly, you could see a big jump in the number of legal issues relating to whatever excited bestoflegaladvice recently. It doesn't seem likely that there's a sudden uptick in the number of people who have neighbors cut down their trees, or who have a landlocked property.

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