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Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by spurgu »

schleck8 wrote: post #80
tmsbrg wrote: post #79

It seems the trend lately for new services to be built with rather high monthly fees. From the FAQ: "We plan to offer entry level plans for as low as $10/month, unlimited plan at around $20/mo as well as make bundles (to include Kagi email and other services), family plans and annual payment discounts available." I have to say I support a lot of these initiatives, but I can't help but think altogether they're creatin…

20 bucks per month is way too much, i like kagi but there isn't a justification for this price over free alternatives like duckduckgo

I would happily pay $20/month to remove the massive frustrations I've had with modern search engines.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by r_hoods_ghost »

deanc wrote: post #7
freediver wrote: post #3

Founder here. Thanks for submitting it, but I am afraid there is not much to see right now. We are still in closed beta (mostly to control cost and gradually improve user experience), with much more left to do. There are some examples of what Kagi can do in my twitter feed. [1] Main idea of Kagi is to offer a paid search product, where user is also the customer and is central to everything that happens. Btw. Kagi is…

If I can be frank, nothing google has done or is doing with my search data bothers me in the slightest. If it uses my data to help target advertising - so be it. It doesn't bother me either as I use uBlock. So whether I pay or not, the only thing I care about is the quality of my search results. What makes you think you can do better than a company with over 20 years experience, 10s of 1000s of engineers working on t…

Subjectively google's results have got dramatically worse over the past 10 years. Whether this is intentional on google's part because they have decided to prioritise ad revenue over useful results, or if it is because the problem has got much harder because of the increased number of pages and the increased sophistication of spammers is open to question.

If the answer is a) then Kagi or another disruptor could undoubtedly produce better search results, and probably in a short period of time, with a small number of decent engineers as there is now a vast body of research and praxis to build on that didn't exist when google was starting up. If the answer is some variant on b) then they're on a hiding to nothing.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by Closi »

mmoskal wrote: post #81
gkasev wrote: post #44

There have been a couple of discussions on HN lately [0][1] about the current state of search engine results, be it served by Google, Bing, DDG or other. Also, it seems like there is a lot of work on search engine alternatives as in the case of Kagi and also here [2] to name but a few. Of all alternatives, Kagi seems to be off to a very good start and I personally am a very happy beta user. What I have not seen so fa…

Interestingly, people are apparently willing to pay $1500 per month to forgo using search engines [0], implying this is what the service is worth to them. I guess here you're asking for price on privacy, as Google is already free to use. edit: I guess even the range of answers here, compared to implied value of the service, is an indication how much people (me included) value their data. [0] https://www.economist.com…

I think the wording in your post is wrong - That economist article says people would want to be paid $1,500 if they had to sacrifice access to a search engine (not that people would pay to sacrifice access).

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by jonnycomputer »

freediver wrote: post #3

Founder here. Thanks for submitting it, but I am afraid there is not much to see right now. We are still in closed beta (mostly to control cost and gradually improve user experience), with much more left to do. There are some examples of what Kagi can do in my twitter feed. [1] Main idea of Kagi is to offer a paid search product, where user is also the customer and is central to everything that happens. Btw. Kagi is…

k-ah-gi as in tawdry

k-ay-gi as in lady

k-aa-gi as in laggy

Which one is it?

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by pb7 »

natpalmer1776 wrote: post #138
sytelus wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Google went completely add free, they would need to charge $57 per year to entire US population. I bet vast majority of population will rather be willing to endure ads. HN bubble often forgets how small it is relative to whole population.

The price point of Kagi is anywhere from $120/yr to $240/yr, based on their current FAQ. Let's say they manage to take just 1% of Google's daily search traffic, which based on a quick Google search (hah) would be about 35 MILLION search queries. If we do a very very rough ballpark estimate of 50 queries per user, per day, it would be about 700,000 unique users... or between 84,000,000 and 168,000,000 USD/year gross r…

>which based on a quick Google search (hah) would be about 35 MILLION search queries

Public numbers are a decade old. You're off by an order of magnitude.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by Shadonototra »

premium browser using our harvested data..

hypocrisy lvl 10000

> Kagi includes data from Apple, Google, Microsoft, Yelp, Wikipedia and others

come back after the reset Murica, this way of dealing with things is kinda outdated

is this yet another nonsense YC pump&dump thing?

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by pb7 »

skinkestek wrote: post #28
deanc wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I can be frank, nothing google has done or is doing with my search data bothers me in the slightest. If it uses my data to help target advertising - so be it. It doesn't bother me either as I use uBlock. So whether I pay or not, the only thing I care about is the quality of my search results. What makes you think you can do better than a company with over 20 years experience, 10s of 1000s of engineers working on t…

> What makes you think you can do better than a company with over 20 years experience, 10s of 1000s of engineers working on their product? I've tested it since December. What made them think they could do it I don't know but they already outclass Google by a wide margin. The shortest and most precise explanation I can give is: Kagi is to mainstream search engines today what Google was to mainstream search engines 20…

>DDG still isn't anywhere near peak Google quality and yet they've seen (actual) exponential growth for years.

Google gets the total of DDG's lifetime searches (over a decade's worth) in about half a week. "Exponential growth" is overselling it.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by _Donny »

If this really lets me block certain websites for good, then I'm sold.

I absolutely hate those sites that scrape other well-known sites (like StackOverflow, Quora, Reddit) and add ads and SEO spam. They are increasingly better at being on the top of the search results, and I cannot get rid of them.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by daxuak »

_Donny wrote: post #168

If this really lets me block certain websites for good, then I'm sold. I absolutely hate those sites that scrape other well-known sites (like StackOverflow, Quora, Reddit) and add ads and SEO spam. They are increasingly better at being on the top of the search results, and I cannot get rid of them.

I'm in the same boat. Right now I do this rather manually, e.g. uBlacklist on chrome.

Re: Kagi: A Premium Search Engine

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Post by dave_sid »

xigoi wrote: post #125
rytill wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot more on the current website than that sentence and the clouds.

OP is contesting the claim that everything on the page matters. If anything on the page doesn't matter, the claim is wrong.

It all matters to me. And if it matters to anyone it matters. So the OP must be right.
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