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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

>“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist [...]

Whew, hyperbole of the year.

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It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

apartheid was a racist policy that discriminated against people based on their skin color… you’re comparing this to mandating a vaccine that dramatically reduces the hospitalization rate during an international pandemic that has killed more than 5 million people in 2 years

I've been vaccinated 3 times. But. 5m out of 7 billion on Earth. The WHO is making rumblings of downgrading pandemic to endemic. Your body is all you really have so if someone chooses to not get vaccinated I believe that to be their (and my) right. I won't have that decision made for me and I won't make that decision for another, except my boy, who is too young to decide for himself. Just like my parents vaccinated me against Polio without asking me first.

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It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

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I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

Your problem seems to be that you don't understand the concept of probabilities. Something can work 80-90% of the time, but not 100%.

And the greater problem with science communication regarding intramuscular vaccines, and the political theater surrounding it, is that neither "side" actually gives the full story because they worry nuance would be lost and facts without context used against them.

Yes, intramuscular vaccines for sars-cov-2 work, for about 6 months, to significantly reduce the likelyhood of serious disease in the internal organs. They do this by getting your body to produce serum igG antibodies against the shape of the spike protein produced, or delivered, by whatever mechanism. They also train your T cells to recognize more broad coronavirus epitopes that hold up longer against changes in spike coding.

But the igG antibodies in the body serum produced by intramuscular vaccination do not appear in any useful quantity in the upper respiratory mucosa (a different immune compartment). And the T cells definitely do not get there. The upper respiratory mucosa is where respiratory viral diseases infect. Intramuscular vaccination does not protect against sars-cov-2 infection of the upper respiratory mucosa. It just means that your lungs, which have some serum igG antibodies seep in, are protected and your body organs are protected. You can and do still get infected and transmit the virus to others at the same rate as the un-intramuscularly vaccinated.

The intramuscularly vaccinated should not be exempted from any mask requirements and people really, really have to become aware of this if we're going to stop the pandemic. It's either that or intranasal vaccination, the smart move, like India is pushing towards. Enough of the intramuscular boosters. We need intranasal to stop the spread.

Pretending intramuscular vaccination is some be all end all that stops spread is stupid and deadly. It is only the first partial step.

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There's no evidence that vaccination is hampering immune response. Among those infected with Omicron, hospitalization and intensive care rates are much higher in unvaccinated...

This is not what the stats are saying. And what about South-Africa with a vaccination rate of 26%?

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Except literally everyone who interacts with the outside will get coronavirus regardless of whether 100% of us are vaccinated or not.

So no, it doesn't. You may as well say that exhaling CO2 is causing global warming.

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If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory?

No one is going to fire you, no store would deny you entrance for that, and no government will deny you basic services if you don't wear your seatbelt. That's the difference.

>> No one is going to fire you for that

https://www.hrreporter.com/labour/news/fort-mcmurray-alta-tr...

>> No store would deny you entrance for that

You can’t really wear a seatbelt into a store but i can cite examples of being denied service for refusing to wear one (taxi, airplane, fun fair ride, etc.)

>> No government will deny basic services to you for that

You get fined by the government if you don’t wear a seatbelt.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/worl...

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1% of the population dying a preventable death is alot of bodies.

Let's talk about eating unhealthy and heart diseases.

Earnestly, yes let’s talk about unhealthy eating and heart disease! Let’s talk about the food system, food education, food availability, pricing, and governmental subsidies. Let’s talk about the socioeconomic factors behind unhealthy lifestyles.

Let’s talk about heart disease! Let’s talk about racial and sex disparities in heart disease. Let’s talk about class disparities in heart disease. Let’s talk about why these disparities exist.

Public health is super fascinating and very complicated. We should be talking about it more!

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