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A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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Email is our only reliable communication method between different organizations. I'm still of the opinion there should be public-option internet services. Everyone deserves an e-mail address that cannot be taken away from them without a court order.

Instead of being controlled by the government, maybe we should make it easier to setup a mail server for your domain?

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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I'd suggest everyone setup a custom domain with SimpleLogin and start using aliases for every site. Also, use isync and goimapnotify to backup your email automatically. Then if Google or some other company shuts you out of your hosted email you can easily get back up on a new provider and not need to change your email address which almost every site you register on now requires.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #160

Email is your proof of identity. It's absolutely critical. Anyone with your email can not only impersonate you, but gain access to many of your online accounts.

This is also why you should use aliases for each site you register for.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #2

Email is our only reliable communication method between different organizations. I'm still of the opinion there should be public-option internet services. Everyone deserves an e-mail address that cannot be taken away from them without a court order.

Instead of being controlled by the government, maybe we should make it easier to setup a mail server for your domain?

Domains are still controlled by the government.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #2

Email is our only reliable communication method between different organizations. I'm still of the opinion there should be public-option internet services. Everyone deserves an e-mail address that cannot be taken away from them without a court order.

> Everyone deserves an e-mail address that cannot be taken away from them without a court order. Not even a court order, arguably. Internet access and it's essential services like email, is arguably a human right in developed countries. Almost impossible to find employment without it.

I don't think email is the issue here but it is DNS. Email relies on DNS and unfortunately government and ISPs have too much control to take your domain or have it blocked.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But HTTP is client/server whereas e-mail is server/server (or client/server/server/client). Small independent server operators are at the mercy of the large companies as those can just stop processing their e-mails (which they already often do). That's different for HTTP (though gatekeeping happens there too via discoverability and other mechanisms).

Both HTTP and SMTP are client/server because you cannot read SMTP without a "client"... The crucial part of these protocols are simple text that use DNS for distributing the connecting. HTTP can be used for server to server too... and I recommend it. So to repeat you need to implement HTTP, SMTP and DNS in you server software so that you can self host all 3 on your own hardware. This means asking your fiber ISP to op…

I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying it won't help you because nobody will want to "play" with you. Open protocols mean nothing if the playing field is not level and the big guys can just bully around smaller players in whichever way they wont. That's not a problem that can be solved by technology (IMHO).

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #40

Well, in Estonia, they have a different approach. 1. If you are a citizen or a resident, you get an ID card to use for every public service. It's just a smart card with a government PKI. 2. The public services provide an email account that can only be used within the e-government services. The card is used for accessing those services. 3. The email service accepts either identity number or registry number of the reci…

> that can only be used within the e-government services > You can't use it for other purposes. No RFC defined email address is shared with you This is not entirely true. You get both: * idcode@eesti.ee can only be used by government senders. * you also get first.last.uniqueid@eesti.ee which works as a regular email address.

Oh, I didn't know that. That's new to me.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #40

Well, in Estonia, they have a different approach. 1. If you are a citizen or a resident, you get an ID card to use for every public service. It's just a smart card with a government PKI. 2. The public services provide an email account that can only be used within the e-government services. The card is used for accessing those services. 3. The email service accepts either identity number or registry number of the reci…

I could only wish the US had something like that. Very few Congresspeople could even succinctly describe email to you, let alone express the need for a system like this. And even if they could introduce a bill, Big Tech lobbyists would instantly swoop in and proclaim the idea as a threat to national democracy, and instead try to steer the legislator to just hosting entire thing on their platform instead. I fucking ha…

There are a few issues. First, Estonia is a small country and it's relatively easier. Second, there's no legacy solution to comply with when a new feature is developed. US has both federal and local government systems, and many agencies with their own services. That creates an overhead for a new and standard[1] solution.

[1] https://xkcd.com/927/

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #40

Well, in Estonia, they have a different approach. 1. If you are a citizen or a resident, you get an ID card to use for every public service. It's just a smart card with a government PKI. 2. The public services provide an email account that can only be used within the e-government services. The card is used for accessing those services. 3. The email service accepts either identity number or registry number of the reci…

A question about number 4. By forwarding address, do you mean to a real email address? Denmark has a similar solution, but it can only be accessed via the website or a mobile application. The idea is that the content will almost always contain person information, so it shouldn't be allowed to be transmitted via an unencrypted channel. Side note: Denmark has a one time pad instead of a smartcard. A smart phone app has…

I have been in Estonia for a few months and get my TRP recently. It's new to me. But I heard that it's the same. It's just a notification probably. Yet, the term "forwarding address" makes me think it can be something else. I did not get any email from there yet, so I don't know actually.

The PKI thing includes a physical ID card, a software solution called Smart-ID and a mobile solutions called Mobile ID. The software solutions are just authenticator apps that you've matched with your ID.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #40

Well, in Estonia, they have a different approach. 1. If you are a citizen or a resident, you get an ID card to use for every public service. It's just a smart card with a government PKI. 2. The public services provide an email account that can only be used within the e-government services. The card is used for accessing those services. 3. The email service accepts either identity number or registry number of the reci…

Serious question. Does this government smart card work on anything but Windows? Or you need to buy a windows machine to go with your free smart card?

Well, their website[1] has downloads for Linux, Android and iOS. But personally, I did not use any of them.

[1] https://www.id.ee/en/article/install-id-software/

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