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Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by palmetieri2000 » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:10 AM UTC

peanut-walrus wrote: post #129

urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

I call bullshit on the $4000 scissors. The very very highest end goes to $1000 and most hairdressers use scissors around the $100 mark, which are still extremely good professional tools. Furthermore, if you have a very expensive pair of scissors, you are not going to be sharpening them twice a day... More like twice a year (and you take them to a professional, you don't do it yourself) .

Playing devils advocate, they probably strop the edge twice a day with a leather strop or a super fine grit whetstone. This isn't really sharpening as such, very little material will be removed from the blade (as you probably know), but to an observer would appear to be 'sharpening' and would theoretically assist in maintaining the very minor burrs that would occur from daily use on hair, if the scissors have some bypass this may also be desirable as a burred edge can interfere with the bypass action. Caveat, am an Amateur bladesmith, not hairdresser so I don't actually know much about scissors specifically and dont have a frame of reference for how much damage hair does to an edge.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by oxplot » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:12 AM UTC

oxml wrote: post #138

I bought two LG Ultrafine 5K displays in 2016 and they're still going strong. They're good — probably the best affordable retina monitor option available, but not perfect. For example, I wish I could daisy chain, and there are occasional ghosting when changing from a contrasty/bright screen to a dark screen. I also ran into problems this year with my MBP maxing out CPU when running both displays at once — after 5 yea…

LG Ultrafines sold at Apple Stores are clearly co-designed or at least advised on by Apple. From packaging and unboxing to the mold lines of injection molded plastic parts, quality of die casts and stamped panels, clean uncluttered outer design with no buttons, it's almost like a different company made the monitor, compared to other LG ones.

I have a 4K one which is just amazing. Picture quality isn't everything (unless you work in a lab somewhere under time/budget constraints).

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by joebiden2024 » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:12 AM UTC

jstx1 wrote: post #77

urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

> I just find that's truly not an unlikely situation to be in. Uhm, I would say that fully remote $300k+ jobs are still unlikely.

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Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by WesolyKubeczek » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:13 AM UTC

There’s also a market of those small portable displays that are definitely ”retina”. I own a pair of those, one 15" and one 12.9", both UHD. Sadly, many of them, while not precisely “no name”, are of dubious quality when it comes to driver boards.

My 15" display likes to produce a loud “pop” sound with the picture going bright white for a fraction of an eyeblink. It’s also HDR without being HDR — in SDR mode, the picture is hideous and in HDR, it’s merely bearable.

The 12.9" display is way better. No issues whatsoever, I sometimes take it with me when on the road. And it’s simply gorgeous when you have a lot of text to work with.

I feel the sweet spot would be the 17" ones I’m seeing on Amazon. If only they had proper VESA holes, proper DP sockets ubstead of USB-C and were reliable, I could replace my Dell P2145Qs with two of those. A good size, super small pixels, and just a fraction of power consumed.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by fotta » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:13 AM UTC

oxml wrote: post #138

I bought two LG Ultrafine 5K displays in 2016 and they're still going strong. They're good — probably the best affordable retina monitor option available, but not perfect. For example, I wish I could daisy chain, and there are occasional ghosting when changing from a contrasty/bright screen to a dark screen. I also ran into problems this year with my MBP maxing out CPU when running both displays at once — after 5 yea…

I wish I could daisy chain too but unfortunately it’s a limitation of Thunderbolt only supporting 40Gbps. Daisy chaining two LG 5Ks would be 5120 * 2880 * 60hz * 30 bits/pixel * 2 = 53Gbps (if my math is correct)

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by washadjeffmad » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:15 AM UTC

peanut-walrus wrote: post #129

urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

I call bullshit on the $4000 scissors. The very very highest end goes to $1000 and most hairdressers use scissors around the $100 mark, which are still extremely good professional tools. Furthermore, if you have a very expensive pair of scissors, you are not going to be sharpening them twice a day... More like twice a year (and you take them to a professional, you don't do it yourself) .

Give OP a break, they're planning to show responses in this thread to their spouse later to get permission to buy themself a nice toy.

If they say their hairdresser uses $4000 scissors because that's what the real professionals pay, hey, let them dream.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by myrandomcomment » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:16 AM UTC

So sample size of 1, but I have had the "Apple" LG 5K for 3 months now and it is great. I was able to drop the TB dock and wire my external USB-C HDs right to it. It is hooked to M1 Mac Mini running the latest MacOS. This monitor replaced the "Apple" LG 4K which I ran for ~2 years.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by ksec » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:17 AM UTC

querulous wrote: post #81

urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

the problem with the apple xdr display isn't just the price though. it's not a good monitor for a lot of users. it's limited to 60hz, it's response time is really poor, it suffers from really obvious blooming and bleed at high brightness and it has bad off axis color accuracy and brightness. sure, if you care deeply about color accuracy and 6k resolution it's pretty good. these aren't the only metrics on which monito…

Their marketing compared it with Reference Monitor. And if it was anywhere close to Reference Monitor, Pros would actually queue up and buy it.

But it wasn't even close. ( And I am still somewhat pissed off about it)

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by TaylorAlexander » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:24 AM UTC

peanut-walrus wrote: post #129

urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

I call bullshit on the $4000 scissors. The very very highest end goes to $1000 and most hairdressers use scissors around the $100 mark, which are still extremely good professional tools. Furthermore, if you have a very expensive pair of scissors, you are not going to be sharpening them twice a day... More like twice a year (and you take them to a professional, you don't do it yourself) .

I got in to sewing recently and none of my cheapo scissors actually worked for cutting fabric properly. I spent $20 for a two pack of fabric scissors at the fabric store and they work great. I can definitely see how $100 scissors would be just fine!

Also sharpening twice a day sounds more like a ritual than a real need. But what do I know I’m not in that industry.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by fleddr » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 12:24 AM UTC

kbenson wrote: post #128

querulous wrote: post #81

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the problem with the apple xdr display isn't just the price though. it's not a good monitor for a lot of users. it's limited to 60hz, it's response time is really poor, it suffers from really obvious blooming and bleed at high brightness and it has bad off axis color accuracy and brightness. sure, if you care deeply about color accuracy and 6k resolution it's pretty good. these aren't the only metrics on which monito…

Yes, the issue is not that it's expensive, it's that it doesn't justify that cost (serious question, what's that stand made out of to cost $1000?) If you can get an equivalent (or better) monitor for the same price (or less), then it's not really about spending an extremely generous salary to have better tools, it's about spending it to have a substandard tool that happens to have an Apple name attached to it. If it'…

It's not an issue that the screen is expensive, but we should take issue that the way Apple positioned the screen is beyond misleading. It's a hard lie.

During the launch, Apple generously rewarded it with the title "best Pro display on the market" and directly compared it to a 35k Sony reference monitor.

The problem is, Apple's screen is unusable as a reference monitor. The screen is not uniform, has a strong "vignette". The backlight zones create blooming artifacts. Color accuracy is fairly good, but not better than something found in a low-end BenQ.

Not only is it not the best pro monitor, it's not a pro monitor at all. It literally cannot be used as a reference monitor. It's basically a 6K LCD screen with all the problems that come with LCD.