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President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by gambiting »

IncRnd wrote: post #135
jaclaz wrote: post #83

Thanks. Only for the record, the message I get from EU: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact help@purdueexponent.org or call 765-743-1111. Maybe it…

People of the EU might want to seriously reconsider the GDPR after seeing its affects such as this.

Quite the opposite! I'd much rather that the website denied me access than treated my private info like their own property purely because they are too lazy to be GDPR compliant.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

gorgoiler wrote: post #125
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because they insist on violating their readers' privacy rights and that would be illegal in the EU. Bad assumption. Maybe an unpopular fact, but many sites simply block EU access to avoid potential legal pitfalls of navigating foreign laws. Getting the site compliant would require review from legal teams and work from (likely contracted) web developers, which is almost certainly not in the budget for a side site li…

It’s a form of purity spiral where the consensus on acceptable behaviour becomes narrower and narrower as peope try to out-compete each other on who is the most virtuous, or in this case who is the most careful about nonexistent GDPR risks.

> or in this case who is the most careful about nonexistent GDPR risks.

Parent comment is convinced the site is doing something that would be illegal.

You are convinced that the site’s GDPR risk is non-existence.

It’s amazing how many people sitting on the sidelines can be so confident about GDPR while having entirely opposite opinions.

But my point stands: This stuff is complicated and requires sign-off from the lawyers in any large institution. If you don’t have a reason or budget to go through that process, you don’t do it. It’s not virtue signaling or anything silly like that. It’s basic corporate legal protections.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

Benlights wrote: post #132
bubblethink wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but surely they have resources at the school if they need technical assistance. It's a university. Just find any CS major and they'll tell you how to set up a website.

It's not the technical assistance needed it's the legal review. Go get that from a CS major.

You don't need a legal review.

• A static site without JavaScript;

• with all images / external resources hosted on the same domain;

• where the logs are default configuration, don't leave the server (except as GoAccess reports), and are deleted / anonymised eventually;

is GDPR-compliant. Sure, there are other ways to be compliant, but this works, and is basically the default way of setting up a website. It's not hard to check whether this is how your website works.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by bostonsre »

toxik wrote: post #110
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ~ George Orwell, 1984

Whenever you think that you’re on the outside looking in, seeing the world for what it is while others seem blind, you should reconsider your perspective. The Chinese people is not some herd of sheep without mental faculties. I wince when I see quotes like these spoken about a people of literal billions.

Do you know of any examples of descent against the government that ended well for those that spoke up? I highly doubt the people are sheep and I'm pretty positive I would act in the same exact way and keep my mouth shut in order to live my life if I was living in a country with an oppressive government.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by bobthechef »

thesuitonym wrote: post #98
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

We have the same problem in the US. Certain "Freedom loving" sects applaud military intervention, increased police presence, spying on citizens, and the death of any protester, peaceful or otherwise.

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Glyptodon »

oxymoran wrote: post #45

The brainwashing must be strong for students thousands of miles away from China in the middle of nowhere Indiana for them to feel the need to snitch on dissenters. Or, more likely, they were threatened before they left China that they would be watched while abroad.

I don't know, I remember a naturalized college classmate of mine who came to the US permanently in elementary school (from China) going on off the cuff rants about the Dalai Lama poisoning people.

I think they do a really good job at creating a narrative of victimhood and inculcating a sort of unhinged teenage belligerence. Not that threats don't have their role, or that they aren't keeping folks under observation, but they get a lot of mileage without those tools.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by [deleted] »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by throwaway894345 »

Majestic121 wrote: post #47
qeternity wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American living in London, I find GDPR blocks extremely annoying…but I blame GDPR. It is a well intentioned law but horribly scoped. If I were the technical staff at a regional university in the US, I wouldn’t invest in compliance with a law that in theory can issue severe penalties. I would simply block that traffic, as they and many others have done.

Compliance is easy : don't add the code that track users and you're compliant. If you do insist on tracking, make it opt out by default.

Or block access and move on with your day.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by DocTomoe »

quartz wrote: post #66
fefe23 wrote: post #8

I find it highly entertaining that they talk about denying rights and then deny the whole of the EU access because they insist on violating their readers' privacy rights and that would be illegal in the EU.

I feel like you've got that backwards: making the site available if it violates GDPR would be violating your rights. Making the site unavailable to you is respecting them. That's not to mention that what's much more likely here is that a student focused and student run campus newspaper in West Lafayette, IN likely just considers the EU out of scope of their audience vs the cost of figuring out if they're GDPR complia…

You should take the outside perspective into account: For me as an EU employer, this implies students from West Lafayette, Indiana, are unable to fulfils even the most basic of rules regarding privacy and are thus a liability. Doing this - even if the site itself is not directly associated with the student body - diminishes the perceived worth of the degree.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by mtberatwork »

teekert wrote: post #102
jaclaz wrote: post #83

Thanks. Only for the record, the message I get from EU: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact help@purdueexponent.org or call 765-743-1111. Maybe it…

Indeed I interpret this as “they were going to extract much more data than needed”, but it could just be fear.

Based on their privacy policy, it's data extraction. Also for some reason they link out to privacy policies of the Walt Disney company and the Washington Post? They also seem to use some obscure, third party CMS provider, and perhaps the ads are handled by that organization? In either case, I'm not sure why a student run, university newspaper needs to have such predatory data practices.
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