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Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by vbezhenar »

smoldesu wrote: post #111
minimaul wrote: post #64

It's still not really ready for prime-time, but I've got a M1 mac mini running debian as an arm64 build bot (and a few other small things) now, and I can say that the bits that work, work really well. Storage is fast, CPU performance is solid, PCIe for ethernet works just fine. Now if I could just get one with 64G of RAM and 2TB of SSD... ;) edit: the setup process is still far from polished but that's not unexpected…

> Now if I could just get one with 64G of RAM and 2TB of SSD... ;) Careful what you wish for. With the way Apple marks up memory and storage upgrades, you might be looking at a $5,000 machine there...

According to MBP 16" price, Apple charges $800 for 64 GB RAM and $800 for 2 TB SSD. IMO that's a reasonable price.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by r00fus »

monocasa wrote: post #140
herpderperator wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2021/12/amazon-ec...

That's more of a 'if you have everything else in the data center, then you can have this too for consistency's sake' than something to move traditional data center workloads to.

The better example of ARM entrance to the datacenter is AWS Graviton. Apple could learn from Graviton to make its ARM cores significantly more datacenter friendly.

That said, I don't see Apple doing this unless they see it as a significant opportunity.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by vbezhenar »

terafo wrote: post #32

While it's obvious that within two years every GPU manufacturer is going to release MCM offering to the consumer market I'm surprised by a fact that Apple, of all companies, actually might deliver first consumer(actually more prosumer with their pricing) MCM GPU to the market. I think two M1 Max dies, if overclocked, actually can beat 3090 in most tasks and take performance crown if they release it this spring. Nvidi…

Can it mine like Nvidia?

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by r00fus »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #67
dagw wrote: post #47

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The point is that I can find the performance I need for half the price. But only sacrificing something else, like screen, battery life and/or build quality. I bought a M1 Pro, not primarily because of its performance, but because it was the cheapest way to get the performance I wanted without sacrificing battery life or build quality in a hardware/software package I could trust to Just Work out of the box.

What do you sacrifice if you get e.g. an Asus ROG Strix G15 ? It is benchmarking pretty close to the M1 Pro, and you can get it for around $1800.

You have to install Windows or none of the benchmarks are meaningful. That's a showstopper for me. Forums say installing linux on there is an undertaking and you end up with critical drivers still not working (Mic, etc).

Who knows when a random driver stops working due to a kernel patch.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by monocasa »

r00fus wrote: post #162
monocasa wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's more of a 'if you have everything else in the data center, then you can have this too for consistency's sake' than something to move traditional data center workloads to.

The better example of ARM entrance to the datacenter is AWS Graviton. Apple could learn from Graviton to make its ARM cores significantly more datacenter friendly. That said, I don't see Apple doing this unless they see it as a significant opportunity.

Apple hasn't seen fit to do that for their own data center parts yet (hence the job postings for qemu-kvm, and the xcode cloud running on x86_64 in a VM).

I don't think data center parts are on their radar at all.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by smoldesu »

vbezhenar wrote: post #161
smoldesu wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now if I could just get one with 64G of RAM and 2TB of SSD... ;) Careful what you wish for. With the way Apple marks up memory and storage upgrades, you might be looking at a $5,000 machine there...

According to MBP 16" price, Apple charges $800 for 64 GB RAM and $800 for 2 TB SSD. IMO that's a reasonable price.

2 TB of NVME storage is little more than $200 off-the-shelf. 64 gigs of DDR4, high-bandwidth laptop memory costs ~$250. Even assuming Apple is springing for high-quality, high-speed RAM, $800 borders on insanity when other laptops offer similar configuration options at less than half the price. Apple's price gouging in this department is well-documented, I don't think I need to argue with HN users about that.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by PeterisP »

nix23 wrote: post #60
boplicity wrote: post #46

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> who would spend 1.500 euros (in Europe) for a laptop that has a limit of 16gb of RAM? Let's say you use a laptop for 6 hours a day, five days a week, 48 weeks a year, and that it lasts for 3 years. That's 4,320 hours of usage. For many people, it's worth paying 35 cents per hour to use a machine that's even just a little bit better than one that costs half that. I'm writing this on a high-end Macbook Pro that's 8 y…

>35 cents per hour to use WOW that's kind allot TBH.

I think the idea is that a power user would be using the computer to earn money at a large enough hourly rate where 0.35$/h is literally insignificant.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by marmaduke »

earthscienceman wrote: post #159
marmaduke wrote: post #73

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Memory bandwidth is still 76 GB/s. One reason I’m moving science workloads to M1 is for the cache line size and memory bandwidth, which bump by factor 2-3x the speed.

"science workloads". What kind of science workloads?

Computational neuroscience, but since your username is earth science I would mention one of the core algorithms which is quite a bit faster is the spherical harmonic transform.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by vbezhenar »

smoldesu wrote: post #167
vbezhenar wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to MBP 16" price, Apple charges $800 for 64 GB RAM and $800 for 2 TB SSD. IMO that's a reasonable price.

2 TB of NVME storage is little more than $200 off-the-shelf. 64 gigs of DDR4, high-bandwidth laptop memory costs ~$250. Even assuming Apple is springing for high-quality, high-speed RAM, $800 borders on insanity when other laptops offer similar configuration options at less than half the price. Apple's price gouging in this department is well-documented, I don't think I need to argue with HN users about that.

I just checked out some random Dell Precision laptop. They want $800 for 64GB RAM and $720 for SSD. Seems pretty comparable to me. Samsung 970 Pro 1TB is $270 on newegg, so it makes $540 for 2TB. Cheaper, but it's only PCI-E 3.
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