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Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

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Post by danShumway »

kbenson wrote: post #153
danShumway wrote: post #151

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This isn't really a random company. Analogue is a company that is plastered across almost every tech/gaming site I visit right now. I think there is a difference between airing every grievance you have with everyone, and airing a specific grievance you have with a company that is getting a huge amount of coverage, if you are someone who is also reasonably prominent within the community that is being covered by the pr…

> Back when I was in college, people in my department shared what was being offered by companies that came over to job fairs trying to hire us. We talked about the hiring processes, the interview processes, and what their culture was like, because we were all part of a community of people who were going to be interacting with the same companies. I don't really have a problem with someone saying a company low-balled t…

> I think perhaps people show be more careful what they say online in open locations. These are not private conversations. Other people see them. When you say something in an open forum it's the equivalent of carving it into a tree in a public area in the real world.

I can agree to disagree on things, but I will leave out by saying that the Internet is a global medium that spans multiple continents, cultures, and languages. If the expectation is that everything posted online needs to be thought of through the lens of a global press release, the end result of that is you are going to have a lot less interesting content online and lot less culture.

There is a difference between a truly private post (meaning that no one is supposed to see it) and a targeted post intending to primarily communicate with a specific audience. When I write posts on HN going into programming details, I don't preface them for people who are unfamiliar with the concept of programming. I don't write in the same style on HN as I do in other contexts, and I don't engage in the same topics. All of that stuff is public, people can correlate it if they want to, in which case I'm going to kind of shrug and kind of look at them weird.

This may just be a personal opinion, people are welcome to disagree with me on this, they can disagree with me on anything. But I think transparent communities with their own circles, memes, cultures, and concerns are a good thing, and making those communities more insular, or demanding that they constantly explain themselves to people who don't understand the references, have a background of their concerns and internal debates, or recognize the people involved -- I think that's an unnecessary burden to place on people.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

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Post by hitekker »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #129
danShumway wrote: post #110

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> Which is atrociously low for [deleted] consultant rates I don't think $50 an hour is a reasonable salary for consulting period. An experienced/senior developer working full time for a company with benefits in a cheap area should still (off the top of my head) probably be looking for at min $100,000 to $120,000 yearly salary (roughly $50 an hour). Depending on the situation you might be able to get more than that, I…

You don't have to go far for Silicon Valley rates to be insane. I'm in Canada. Experienced developer salary under 100k CAD is the norm. Consultant rates of $100CAD/hr are not unusual. And then there's the rest of the world . I have no beef with author for rejecting an offer that didn't make sense to them. I am however disappointed for eagerness to ascribe malevolence and disrespect, and demonize a company whose side,…

No offense, but if 100k CAD is your idea of the average, you might be tremendously underpaid. No one on my Canada team makes less than 100k CAD. They're all junior, some fresh from college, and the company isn’t even FAANG

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

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Post by kbenson »

danShumway wrote: post #161
kbenson wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Back when I was in college, people in my department shared what was being offered by companies that came over to job fairs trying to hire us. We talked about the hiring processes, the interview processes, and what their culture was like, because we were all part of a community of people who were going to be interacting with the same companies. I don't really have a problem with someone saying a company low-balled t…

> I think perhaps people show be more careful what they say online in open locations. These are not private conversations. Other people see them. When you say something in an open forum it's the equivalent of carving it into a tree in a public area in the real world. I can agree to disagree on things, but I will leave out by saying that the Internet is a global medium that spans multiple continents, cultures, and lan…

I understand, and for the most part entirely agree with that. I don't think every single group should have to guard their words entirely. I do think it's worth people considering whether those statements violate norms in what someone would expect as confidential without cause. If we message privately and then you expose those conversations for your own social gain and there's no real cause to do so, I'm going to feel violated, and the amount of violation will probably scale to some degree with how public it was, regardless of whether I said anything bad. And, I can only hope, people would look upon you unkindly for the act. That's really what I'm doing here, looking unkindly on the author for what I see as a violation of norms I think we'd all be better off keeping from becoming common.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

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Post by gambiting »

salamandersauce wrote: post #136
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #126

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There's a deep and misplaced sense of entitlement here. Some companies have money and want to complete a project, and some developers can do the work and want to be compensated. The process by which the compensation is determined involves negotiation. That is a two-sided process. In none of the presented screenshots did the author actually propose what she thought was a fair compensation for the work. She suggests $2…

Shantae is a GBC game. It's a different kettle of fish. Of course others could write a GBA emulator or BIOS but mGBA is widely regarded as one of the best. Why isn't it entitlement on Analogue's side to offer so low a bid and with ridiculous restrictions?

>>Why isn't it entitlement on Analogue's side to offer so low a bid and with ridiculous restrictions?

Because at the end of the day it's just an offer. She should have just said no, or named a price that was appropriate. The blogpost is literally about nothing, just a failed business transaction like millions that happen every day, but it gets weirdly personal for no real reason that I can see.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

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Post by gambiting »

cafard wrote: post #95
zackbloom wrote: post #83

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The company made an offer. The person accepted it. Nothing notable about the scope of the work changed (at least as detailed in the blog post). The person wasn't stiffed or otherwise cheated. They just... didn't like a job offer which they themselves accepted.

" I told them that amount may work and went on with my day." I don't read that as accepting the offer, I read it as continuing the negotiation.

I absolutely read that as accepting the offer. If you say that an amount "may work" then well, that's it, they are not going to increase the offer unless you ask. The next sentence confirms that too:

" 6 days later I was told that the doubling was approved and we could sort out the fine details "

Like ok, we're now past the payment negotiation stage, now onto other details.

The person in the article clearly(to me) agreed to an insuficient amount of money, and then wrote a blog post to complain about it.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

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Post by NikolaNovak »

hitekker wrote: post #162
NikolaNovak wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to go far for Silicon Valley rates to be insane. I'm in Canada. Experienced developer salary under 100k CAD is the norm. Consultant rates of $100CAD/hr are not unusual. And then there's the rest of the world . I have no beef with author for rejecting an offer that didn't make sense to them. I am however disappointed for eagerness to ascribe malevolence and disrespect, and demonize a company whose side,…

No offense, but if 100k CAD is your idea of the average, you might be tremendously underpaid. No one on my Canada team makes less than 100k CAD. They're all junior, some fresh from college, and the company isn’t even FAANG

Zero offense taken.

Amount Is based on team members, friends and colleagues working at large established companies. I imagine price there may be more depressed than at small successful rapidly growing companies - but percentage wise, though they make minority of HN, boring dev jobs at large companies are majority of actual Devs. Canadian averages are notoriously hard to get but based on linked in and glass doors, there seems to be a lot of dev jobs well under 100k.

(fwiw, based on sample size of n=2, my friends who are Canadian Devs but on primarily American companies, effectively get American salary grandfathered. They both acknowledge its far higher than what they previously had and what they might get otherwise in market)

It is my understanding that e. G. UK is largely the same - development is a white collar office job like any other, not a rock star exotic occupation it appears based on HN to be in US.

Very cursory search shows median US developer salary (not average vocal HN audience salary:) to be 100k US and UK average dev salary to be fraction of that. These may or may not be accurate, but most dev jobs are far more boring and standardized than HN average.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

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Post by engineer_22 »

sneak wrote: post #38
emodendroket wrote: post #17

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"Quit your job and do months of work for us for $10k" is not actually a position that anybody in their right mind would bother negotiating with.

Yes, but the author continued anyway. They could have ghosted. They could have made a reasonable counter. Instead they decided to sling mud. Childish and unprofessional.

That's right. Author has a lot to learn.

Re: Analogue Pocket Hate Story

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Post by RandallBrown »

xondono wrote: post #127
RandallBrown wrote: post #77

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Wikipedia says the company is in Seattle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogue_(company)

It says “founded”. Their terms of service point to Analogue Enterprises Limited, registered in HK. Founded is a typical weasel word because people tend to be more trusting of american companies.

Either way, the founder is American so they would know if their offer was competitive or not with other American salaries.
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