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Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by d23 »

seritools wrote: post #118

10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it: - It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course) - THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad - the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it loo…

I still use notepad to try to avoid all the crap software tries to cram down my throat these days. Sad to see they've managed to mess with this too. I wonder how long it'll be before tracking and dark patterns are shoved into this notepad version (if it hasn't happened already).

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by chungy »

seritools wrote: post #118

10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it: - It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course) - THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad - the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it loo…

> HEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS

That's always the first feature I turn off if I start a clean web browser profile. I'm not even sure why "smooth" scrolling is a thing...

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by ripdog »

d23 wrote: post #161
seritools wrote: post #118

10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it: - It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course) - THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad - the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it loo…

I still use notepad to try to avoid all the crap software tries to cram down my throat these days. Sad to see they've managed to mess with this too. I wonder how long it'll be before tracking and dark patterns are shoved into this notepad version (if it hasn't happened already).

The only way to avoid dark patterns in software these days is to use Linux.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by jodrellblank »

jrm4 wrote: post #81

From the Linux side of the fence; Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial? Why encourage or tolerate an operating system (slash ecosystem of apps) with such a limited view of choice? Announcements like this really lay bare the collective dumbing down that these centralized ecosystems encourage. Someone's going to respond with "people don't like thinking about c…

One quote I've kept around for years is:

"But now every little thing--wristwatches, VCRs, stoves--is jammed with features, and every feature is useless without an interface. If you are like me, and like most other consumers, you have never used ninety percent of the available features on your microwave oven, VCR, or cellphone. You don't even know that these features exist. The small benefit they might bring you is outweighed by the sheer hassle of having to learn about them." -- [which I didn't keep a source for, and searched back to http://www.garote.bdmonkeys.net/commandline/index.html "The Command Line in 2004" but that looks like a more modern post about an earlier Neal Stephenson article]

> "Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial?"

It's a blog post on the "Insiders" blog[1], they seem to appear weekly. Why comment on this at all "from the Linux side" in one breath advocating freedom of choice, in the next breath condemning everyone who doesn't value what you value, or who does things differently to you?

Which is it, freedom of choice, or mandatory complexity? Freedom of opinion, or "that is trivial and I am correct"?

[1] https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/tag/windows-inside...

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by garaetjjte »

chungy wrote: post #162
seritools wrote: post #118

10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it: - It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course) - THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad - the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it loo…

> HEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS That's always the first feature I turn off if I start a clean web browser profile. I'm not even sure why "smooth" scrolling is a thing...

I like smooth scrolling in browsers. Easier to track things with eyes. (though OP complains about "when grabbing the scroll bar handle", which sounds horrible)

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

svieira wrote: post #98
MisterTea wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you could view reports on which obscure apps hooked into this or that internal code of cmd.exe or Notepad and would break Wait what, external software calls into notepad?

Yep - read some of the awesome / horrific horror stories from having too large an API surface area from Raymond Chen here: https://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780321440303/samplec... Patching other people's binaries, turning off features if the app making the request is "problematic-app", re-introducing bugs, fixing should-be-impossible-to-happen calls from programs that were written by hand, it's all there!

> one useful shim is known as HeapPadAllocation; it is applied to programs that have heap buffer overrun bugs. The shim intercepts calls to the HeapAllocate function and adds a specified amount to the requested size. That way, when the program overruns a buffer, it merely corrupts the padding rather than corrupting the next heap block.

Oh good grief.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] »

bathtub365 wrote: post #154
seritools wrote: post #118

10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it: - It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course) - THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad - the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it loo…

Did they end up hiring back QA or have they stuck to their strategy of customers and analytics being QA?

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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by recursive »

lucb1e wrote: post #148
recursive wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think so. How else are you supposed to edit a config file?

There is also write.exe or, just a suggestion, buy MS Office Word in a package deal for like ninety nine bucks. I can see why notepad might be deemed unimportant by Microsoft with both a commercial alternative to push and a more powerful editor also built in. (Assuming write.exe is still in W11, last I used was 7 I think.)

So Notepad is not core OS functionality because you can buy Word for only $99 to edit your config files? Am I getting this right?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by syockit »

elkos wrote: post #130
sz4kerto wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Collaborative editing? What have the Romans given us?

Wasn't collaborative editing provided by other platforms before Office?

But GGP comment was about what Microsoft added to Office in these 20 years? Why would other platforms matter?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by xeeeeeeeeeeenu »

seritools wrote: post #118

10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it: - It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course) - THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad - the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it loo…

The problem is that Microsoft is still pretending that UWP/WinUI isn't a complete mistake. All those issues are inherent to that technology.
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