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Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by dham »

Bhilai wrote: post #97

Mandates are probably not going to work but what would work is denying insurance claims. If someone ends up in a hospital occupying an ICU bed for an illness that could have been prevented by a vaccine widely and freely available then insurance companies (and medicare) should refuse to pay thousands of dollars for their treatment. It was their choice not to use preventative care available.

I got one for you, we can prevent 80% of covid deaths and hospitalizations and reduce other diseases and get universal healthcare because the cost would be much less...Just ban fast foods. Make everyone exercise and that would be mandated by government. It would much less intrusive than requiring someone to inject something into their body.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by odessacubbage »

adrr wrote: post #108
cies wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Banning health care providers from abortion would be unconstitutional. Forcing care workers to take a medicine against their will is constitutional you say? All medical procedures should be voluntary, or we go back to the times of lobotomy and forced sterilizations of minorities (and that's not as many decades back as you may think). > Government can and has jailed and/or fined people for not getting a vaccine. Thi…

Greater good of society out weighs people's individual rights. These are basic constitutional tenets. Why you can't yell fire in a crowded theater even though you have the right to free speech. Why the SCOTUS has ruled vaccine mandates are constitutional.

you can indeed yell fire in a crowded theater.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by Dumblydorr »

bko wrote: post #3

> Doughty said the CMS lacked the authority to issue a vaccine mandate that would require more than 2 million unvaccinated healthcare workers to get a coronavirus shot. > "There is no question that mandating a vaccine to 10.3 million healthcare workers is something that should be done by Congress, not a government agency," wrote Doughty. That's a good point. You can agree that its within the federal authority to mand…

Sidenote, if you haven't heard of CMS, that speaks more to your lack of experience in this area than the org's obscurity. I'm not saying everyone should know it, but your paranthetical downplaying of the org shows you're not deep in healthcare knowledge. Should it mean anything to us as readers that you personally never heard of a key agency?

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by HamburgerEmoji »

clukic wrote: post #126
roamerz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except this isn’t about almost anything else. This is about control over one’s body. This is from someone who chose freely to get the vaccine. Even at my own peril I support other’s freedom to choose.

Does that mean you support a rollback of all vaccine requirements? For example the MMR, TDap, HepB, polio, chicken pox vaccines required for school children? Or the numerous vaccines required for military personal? And would you be comfortable having a pediatrician who wasn't inoculated for diphtheria knowing that an infection could be fatal for your baby?

> Does that mean you support a rollback of all vaccine requirements?

I can't speak for the person you're talking to, but those old vaccines are actual vaccines, unlike the recent mRNA injections, which are so different from what we typically think of as vaccines that the CDC had to change its definition of the word "vaccine" to remove the notion that a vaccine provides protection from a disease.

So of course not. The old diseases were serious threats, and the old vaccines were actual vaccines. Not similar to the current situation, where the virus is a negligible threat to all people who are not elderly or suffering from serious disease already, and the injection being proffered does not prevent a person from contracting or transmitting the virus.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by redblacktree »

crazy1van wrote: post #144
redblacktree wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress has delegated the authority to make these decisions to regulatory agencies. If congress wants that authority back, they can get it back via legislation. The responsibility for the current situation starts and stops with congress. The executive branch is doing what congress has asked it to do, and the executive branch would stop doing those things the moment that congress legislated the authority back to them…

> Congress has delegated the authority to make these decisions to regulatory agencies Yes, but at some point there must be a limit to how much power they can delegate. If Congress created a new Super-Congress that it granted all the powers of Congress, I would contend that would be unconstitutional. It clearly goes against the founding principles of having three branches of government. That would be akin to the gover…

It would be up to the judicial branch to make those determinations. So far, they are broadly OK with the delegation that has happened.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by throwaway2077 »

avs733 wrote: post #37
HonestOp001 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How large should the administrative state get? We have unelected officials who are making decisions against the will of the people. The entire system is too large for any person to affect change. That is why we see “crises;” they allow people to focus the group onto a crisis. In normal times, the entire industry reverts to how can they increase their size..

please provide evidence to support this claim: "We have unelected officials who are making decisions against the will of the people."

did you vote for Ajit Pai?

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by coredog64 »

adrr wrote: post #108
cies wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Banning health care providers from abortion would be unconstitutional. Forcing care workers to take a medicine against their will is constitutional you say? All medical procedures should be voluntary, or we go back to the times of lobotomy and forced sterilizations of minorities (and that's not as many decades back as you may think). > Government can and has jailed and/or fined people for not getting a vaccine. Thi…

Greater good of society out weighs people's individual rights. These are basic constitutional tenets. Why you can't yell fire in a crowded theater even though you have the right to free speech. Why the SCOTUS has ruled vaccine mandates are constitutional.

Schenk was overturned because it was a bad decision. In general, “fire in a crowded theater” is my heuristic for “this person doesn’t know what they’re talking about”.

This is the top Google result for “fire in a crowded theater”: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Post by rglover »

hestefisk wrote: post #61

Whilst thousands of healthcare workers in the US —- those who are supposed to be proponents of public health measures and rational, scientific thinking - refuse to get vaccinated, ultimately resulting in stockpiles of vaccines getting destroyed … people in third world countries cannot get adequate access to vaccines. This is madness.

> Whilst thousands of healthcare workers in the US —- those who are supposed to be proponents of public health measures and rational, scientific thinking - refuse to get vaccinated [...]

These people were considered heroes last year (and overwhelmingly exposed to this virus while everyone else stayed at home). Now their judgment is in question because they won't follow the herd, with all of their medical experience/expertise being rejected or discredited. The inconsistency is a work of art.

Everyone should read this: https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Mind-Psychology-Menticide-Brainw... — you will find an alarming number of parallels to our current situation.

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