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Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by saghm »

hhariri wrote: post #8
nikitaga wrote: post #7

Meanwhile IntelliJ is rotting with months-old bugs that render entire features useless, with no fixes and no ETAs in sight. The only product that I pay money for that constantly, on almost every release, pains me with new bugs, a good portion of which are never fixed. I thought about using other Jetbrains products like DataGrip (and now this Fleet), but I'm not going to invest even more into a company that simply ref…

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

This is pretty unrelated, but it's bugged me for years and this is the first chance I've had to ask someone who works at Jetbrains, so I'm going to ask anyway: what exactly is going on with the name "IntelliJ IDEA" versus the other IDEs (Pycharm, RubyMine, etc.)? When I first saw it, I assumed that either "IDEA" was a brand of IDEs of which IntelliJ was one, or the reverse, but I was surprised when I saw that the other IDEs from Jetbrains don't use either word for their names. Is there any other IDEA other than IntelliJ? Is anything else "IntelliJ" besides "IDEA"? The best explanation I can come up with is that there was originally an idea (pun intended) to reuse branding across them, but it was abandoned by the time the other IDEs came out, but I have no idea if this even fits the timeline of their releases, let alone if it's accurate.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by native_samples »

axegon_ wrote: post #134
native_samples wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm my experiences with TeamCity have been very good.

I'll take anything over teamcity. Even jenkins. I don't think I can go any lower than that in this universe.

What is it you dislike so much?

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by top_kekeroni_m8 »

klausjensen wrote: post #76
branko_d wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same about Resharper. I stopped using it after many years simply because I could no longer bear the typing latency that is causes. I even bought a new laptop thinking the old hardware was to blame, only to discover the latency has barely improved. I'm now happy with "bare" Visual Studio 2022 - it may have fewer niceties, but I'm so much more productive!

Same for me. I tried "escaping" ReSharper a few times over the years (have used it for 10+ years) - but I kept crawling back after a few days or weeks feeling super handicapped without the features. I also bought new hardware - and noticed no real improvement (something about a fundamental threading problem, I think). About 6 months ago I was finally fed up and just accepted I would be slower and less productive in s…

Just use Rider.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by axegon_ »

native_samples wrote: post #162
axegon_ wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take anything over teamcity. Even jenkins. I don't think I can go any lower than that in this universe.

What is it you dislike so much?

CI/CD's must be stupid simple to work with and that's their entire purpose: you should not waste time with clicking and scrolling and dealing with custom setups. Even Jenkins, which is dog shit and I've had to use in the past was light years ahead. Have a look at gitlab, github, circleci and all the big players in the field - the exact same task takes considerably less time, documentation is perfect, whatever you want to achieve is no more than 5 lines of YAML away, the UI isn't something from a 2 year old's sketchbook, the outputs are actually clever enough to work out when and where a test for instance failed and take you directly to the relevant section of the log rather than having to click "show more" and scroll up 20 times. The email notifications it sends are practically useless - they are basically images of the static noise coming from the big bang, except they clutter your inbox. And to think the company was paying close to 3000€ per year for this crap genuinely baffles me when you have an endless amount of free and open source alternatives that actually work.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by scabbycakes »

doodpants wrote: post #84

> We built Fleet to be a fast and lightweight text editor for when you need to quickly browse and edit your code. It starts up in seconds so you can begin working immediately... An editor that takes multiple seconds to start up doesn't strike me as "fast and lightweight".

I've always seen this as a weird argument. Are people just opening and quitting their IDE/editors constantly all day?

So what if it takes 30 seconds to start if it's done once or twice a day (or once a week or less in my case). What the heck kind of environment are people working in or mindset are people in when they can't tolerate 8 seconds for their IDE to open? (And then use that as an argument why the IDE is inferior.)

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by native_samples »

axegon_ wrote: post #164
native_samples wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it you dislike so much?

CI/CD's must be stupid simple to work with and that's their entire purpose: you should not waste time with clicking and scrolling and dealing with custom setups. Even Jenkins, which is dog shit and I've had to use in the past was light years ahead. Have a look at gitlab, github, circleci and all the big players in the field - the exact same task takes considerably less time, documentation is perfect, whatever you wan…

It sounds like you're talking about quite old versions, and in particular, demand something cloud hosted (not dealing with "custom setups"?).

You can script it with Kotlin these days, there is a hosted cloud version, they've redesigned the entire UI (though the old version did not look like a two year old's sketchbook), it understands test output just fine and can zap you to the right place in the log (and that's always worked for me, maybe it doesn't understand your test framework output or something).

But eh, different strokes for different folks. I hate YAML and much prefer having a GUI to help me set things up.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by visarga »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #64

I get a horrible feeling in my stomach when I see these "remote" IDE options. I am very sure that they have their benefits, coding from a thin-client machine and having an "always on" session in the cloud ... But it feels like a slow errosion of our control and ownership of our tools. Where everything is becoming a rent-seeking opportunity and good tools are made available for a monthly rent. Personally I like having…

If you want to access a higher capacity VM or a large data collection that doesn't fit locally then it's justified.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #37
hhariri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

This bug is quite telling: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-276949 It is marked as fixed but it is not yet released. If you look inside, you will see that HTTP Proxy authentication has been broken for almost a year. Many corporate users are behind such proxies, and they suffer. This kind of bugs should be utmost priority, because they directly impact the cashflow.

Ouups... it's been reopened after the 2021.3 release.
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