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Apple will notify users about state-sponsored cybersecurity threats

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Re: Apple will notify users about state-sponsored cybersecurity threats

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Post by atmosx »

hunterb123 wrote: post #87
atmosx wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, in the contact tracing case both Apple and Google refused to give data and control to EU governments. I believe the contact tracing app was used against protesters in rallies about BLM though, by the FBI IIRC.

Source? Pretty bold claim to just toss out with an IIRC. First, I haven't seen any indictments of any BLM rioters. Note when I say rioters I'm not including protesters but those who set fires and harmed people. Second, while I'm against contact tracing apps in general for the reason they can be abused, I don't think they would be needed by LE given their ability to setup string rays, drones, and monitor social media.…

Here are some links:

- https://www.zdnet.com/article/singapore-police-had-used-covi...

- https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/contact-tracing-law-enf...

Given the past decade (Snowden & Assange) I don't find strange contact tracing being used for "other purposes". The data is readily available so, why bother with drones?

Re: Apple will notify users about state-sponsored cybersecurity threats

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Post by lern_too_spel »

fsflover wrote: post #150
lern_too_spel wrote: post #115

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Which surveillance? By what ruling? The phone metadata collection was ruled illegal, but that does not affect Apple.

> By what ruling? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24356741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24362047

Both of those are about the phone metadata program I mentioned. That doesn't affect Apple.

Re: Apple will notify users about state-sponsored cybersecurity threats

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Post by max47 »

Thorrez wrote: post #139
max47 wrote: post #130

they'll only do it if the US government allows them to. Like it or not, if they go against three-letter-agencies in the US, high ranked apple employees will spend years in jail based on the rulings of secret courts where all of your rights are irrelevant. The moment the cia says the word "terrorism", all your rights are gone regardless of how wrong the investigators might be. They can literally declare you guilty wit…

There's a difference between a warrant with a gag order and noticing that someone is trying to hack into a user's account. I see no reason to think Apple will want to stay silent about an attacker trying to hack a user's account just because they might stay silent about warrants with gag orders.

You think I'm taking about BS gag orders or NDA agreements....

When we're talking CIA, you can't get your way out of it with a better lawyer of by paying a fine. It's a decade of jail waiting for you if you don't bend over and give them exactly what they want. You have no constitutional rights when it comes to national security. they are legally allowed to kill US citizens without having to get court approval if they think they are a threat to the nation.

Re: Apple will notify users about state-sponsored cybersecurity threats

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Post by capableweb »

zepto wrote: post #160
capableweb wrote: post #154

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Could also be weasly wording here. They can still truthfully make that statement even if Apple themselves have decided to be pro-active and decided to give out bulk data without receiving any orders before. As the Snowden leaks showed, we should be really careful about how we read the words from large companies about data.

True. They also could be part of the conspiracy to make people sick with 5g so that bill gates can inject microchips into people through the vaccines. After all, they haven’t denied it!

Difference between the conspiracy about making people sick with 5G vs companies helping NSA and other US government entities to spy on people, is that we have evidence of the latter happening, while nothing about the former.

Re: Apple will notify users about state-sponsored cybersecurity threats

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Post by zepto »

capableweb wrote: post #164
zepto wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. They also could be part of the conspiracy to make people sick with 5g so that bill gates can inject microchips into people through the vaccines. After all, they haven’t denied it!

Difference between the conspiracy about making people sick with 5G vs companies helping NSA and other US government entities to spy on people, is that we have evidence of the latter happening, while nothing about the former.

We have evidence of em radiation causing health problems, just not 5G.

> even if Apple themselves have decided to be pro-active and decided to give out bulk data without receiving any orders before

We have zero evidence if anything like this happing.

Re: Apple will notify users about state-sponsored cybersecurity threats

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Post by Thorrez »

max47 wrote: post #163
Thorrez wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between a warrant with a gag order and noticing that someone is trying to hack into a user's account. I see no reason to think Apple will want to stay silent about an attacker trying to hack a user's account just because they might stay silent about warrants with gag orders.

You think I'm taking about BS gag orders or NDA agreements.... When we're talking CIA, you can't get your way out of it with a better lawyer of by paying a fine. It's a decade of jail waiting for you if you don't bend over and give them exactly what they want. You have no constitutional rights when it comes to national security. they are legally allowed to kill US citizens without having to get court approval if they…

Are you talking about the CIA demanding something from Apple and ordering Apple to stay silent? Or are you talking about Apple detecting an attempt to hack a user's account? Those are 2 different things.

You seem to be talking about the first, whereas the support page is about the second.

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