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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by dgfitz »

tjs8rj wrote: post #142
Gentil wrote: post #93

I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

Twitter is just as dangerous as Facebook as far as I can tell. So much outrage that’s spilled into riots and bloodshed has been fomented on there in broad daylight with little repercussion. Do you judge people who work at Twitter too?

Yup. I also judge people who use Twitter but I doubt that will go over well here.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by 0x0nyandesu »

lupire wrote: post #144
0x0nyandesu wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no reason for it if I'm doing back end DevOps. I don't want to work on "the product".

Facebook uses Facebook for internal comms as an alternative to GMail/Office. Would you use that if you worked there?

Yes I know. That's part of the problem. I don't want to be in that eco system. Even just to apply for a job at Facebook they expect you to already have a Facebook account. The arrogance of the whole thing is just problematic.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by squiffsquiff »

fallingknife wrote: post #152
_fat_santa wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook's biggest problem in the next few years is going to be that it will struggle to attract new talent. Simply put if you're a senior SWE, even the possibility of FB putting a stain on your resume is going to drive you away, because there are so many other options out there. It's not worth the risk of always having to explain your time there because everyone has an opinion on the company these days. It's not tha…

On the other hand, I would personally find some sanctimonious interviewer asking me to defend my previous employment history from a perceived position of moral superiority a great screening tool for companies I would never want to work for.

So I'm an engineer at my org. I'd never want to work for Facebook. If I'm interviewing you then yes I will ask you why you chose to work there when by definition you had other options.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by pedrosorio »

skinkestek wrote: post #145
kwertyoowiyop wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They finally called me. So yep, bottom of the barrel.

I've been contacted by a FAANG (or is it MANGA?) company too recently, one of the traditionally better ones. Earlier I'd fallen ober myself for that but I ended up not following through. I love my current. I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man. I'm not sure I want to contribute to the surveillance economy etc. Maybe another day I'll answer yes, but...

> I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man

This is not a thing.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by dang »

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by reducesuffering »

maxpert wrote: post #146
ferdowsi wrote: post #106

As the negative perception of Facebook engineering picks up it'll be interesting to see where this heads. There's been precious little conversation about the stewardship model of React.JS, in which Facebook has an outsized role. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an effort to divest React from Facebook, given the potential reputational risk to the React project.

I think React is pretty soon gonna share same fate as jQuery. Svelte is slowly picking some steam, and with recent move of original author to Vercel I am more confident than ever that momentum is shifting. My friend directly got to work with Carmack, and him moving away directly from project should tell a lot about what the future of the hardware holds with FB. Microsoft had to rewire itself in order to recover from…

On what timeline though? Vue was looking to be a very strong contender to passing up React, but that has dwindled and it's a solid second alternative but won't end up usurping React. Next.js is one of the biggest hotnesses around web development in general right now, bigger than Svelte, and based on React. While Svelte is nice and shows promise, it's still in the "early Vue" stage and has a long long way to go to make React into a jQuery. Not to mention how ubiquitous jQuery still is.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

_fat_santa wrote: post #118
Gentil wrote: post #93

I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

Facebook's biggest problem in the next few years is going to be that it will struggle to attract new talent. Simply put if you're a senior SWE, even the possibility of FB putting a stain on your resume is going to drive you away, because there are so many other options out there. It's not worth the risk of always having to explain your time there because everyone has an opinion on the company these days. It's not tha…

Facebook may be a dying company, slowly slowly slowly on the IBM timescale.

Facebook is definitely on the downslide. They staved off facebook's slide by successfully picking the next social network in instagram, but now that is probably going to lose its shine. If Tiktok is the next #1... That can't be easily acquired due to Chinese ownership...

They'll try the "metaverse" but man that is a big leap, and they are already poisoning their metaverse with stupid things like "must have a facebook account" which signals they are doomed to failure.

Facebook knows this. It's why they changed their name. Maybe the recruiting struggles signaled the death of the "Facebook" brand.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by [deleted] »

jd115 wrote: post #18

While this is a trend across the board since the pandemic, for Facebook it is particularly troublesome because it's deeper rooted than at other companies. On an almost daily basis it is becoming more and more public knowledge that Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem). Young peo…

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by skinkestek »

pedrosorio wrote: post #165
skinkestek wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been contacted by a FAANG (or is it MANGA?) company too recently, one of the traditionally better ones. Earlier I'd fallen ober myself for that but I ended up not following through. I love my current. I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man. I'm not sure I want to contribute to the surveillance economy etc. Maybe another day I'll answer yes, but...

> I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man This is not a thing.

ok, good to know. But it still doesn't feel safe.
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