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Reflections on E-Bikes

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Re: Reflections on E-Bikes

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The main problem I see with bike ascendancy is the theft issue. E-bikes seem to exacerbate this issue (they're definitely more expensive thus juicier targets) but perhaps some basic ability to remotely lock & brick the bike (a la Apple's Lost Mode/remote wipe) might prove useful to start deterring thefts.

Ultimately, law enforcement need to start paying attention to bike thefts (ie, we need a "grand theft auto" type infraction). Not sure how this happens.

Re: Reflections on E-Bikes

#162

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So results in untamperable lockdown next time it connects to icloud?

Pretty much, yeah. It also forces the phone to not allow various offline use (like erasing it and setting up a new user)

Neat, thanks all.

Re: Reflections on E-Bikes

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Conversion kits start at around £150 and can be fitted to that £50 bike. The biggest issue I see for higher priced bikes is secure parking (as mentioned in the article). No one provides secure/supervised parking and its tricky to get insurance. You can't really lock any nice bike outside the supermarket and always expect it to be there when you get back.

If you want 250 watts or less for a bit of assistance with pedaling and ~20 miles of range, a conversion kit is fine. But if you have to deal with serious hills or want to use throttle-only, 250W won't be enough. IMO 750W is the bare minimum for that, and it requires a bigger motor, bigger battery, and disc brakes.* That costs a lot more and it's easier (and probably cheaper) to just buy the whole bike than convert w…

If you want to use throttle only, then you're no longer riding a pedal-ec and are riding an electric motorcycle (and will consequently need the appropriate licence, insurance and vehicle type approval).

Re: Reflections on E-Bikes

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You’ve put your finger on a real problem for me. I live in the UK countryside, and we get a lot of serious cyclists visiting here. The most dangerous pattern I see is occupying the middle of the road - which is fine when they’re doing 25mph in a 30mph road. But they stay there in 60mph sections, causing drivers to accelerate and veer round them. If we had more riders doing the same thing on ebikes, I imagine there’d…

E-bikes are limited to 25kmh in Europe (and that also applies to the UK - for now). If you are seeing e-bikers doing 25mph (are you really?), then those are illegally modified. They exist, but are a distinct minority. Also, e-bikes are typically ridden by people who would never think of riding a bicycle in the middle of an A-road, so no need to worry.

Pedal-ecs shut the assistance off at 15.5mph, but that doesn't mean that you can't ride faster especially with some of the very lightweight versions.

In any case, it's relatively easy to do 25mph without a motor which is probably who he's seeing.

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#165

The thing about ebikes is they sit in a speed niche that hasn't really been seen before, and it's going to cause lots of problems. Before ebikes, you either rode a bicycle, or moved up to a motorscooter or motorcycle, which are much more regulated. The problem is, ebikes are stealth motorscooters . They go really, really fast, for sustained periods of time, and yet are as thin and quiet as a pedal bike. I just starte…

> They go really, really fast, for sustained periods of time, and yet are as thin and quiet as a pedal bike. Not really? Class 1 and 2 ebikes in the US top out at 20 mph. Ebikes in Europe usually top out at 25 km/h (15.5 mph). Even 20 mph is achievable by a moderately fit person on a road bike for a sustained period of time.

People can are are modifying them. 80 mph Sur Ron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-udAVx85IFs

Call it whatever you want, these are motorcycles.

Re: Reflections on E-Bikes

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> Previously, you had to be a serious cyclist to access this speed (and corresponding ability to simply exist on car-dominated roads), but now almost everyone can. Wow, interesting that they frame this as a positive. I'm a general advocate for e-bikes but this has been the absolute biggest drawback I've noticed with them: e-bike riders suddenly get all of the speed of a very fit cyclist but absolutely none of the roa…

This post made chuckle with recognition. I'm typically a fast and very occasionally aggressive cyclist, on a fast bike with 15 years of experience. Lately I've been seeing aggressive moves that I recognize from visibly unathletic cyclists on heavy loaded up ebikes in very much upright postures. If any of the things that have gone wrong for me go wrong for them, no way do they have the reaction speed or maneuverability or stopping power needed to get out of the situation.

Re: Reflections on E-Bikes

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IMO, the number one hurdle for ebikes is theft. The things cost a decent chunk of money and there is basically no way to secure them properly. I have owned an ebike and it's such a fun way to get around, but I quickly sold it because I was in constant fear of it being stolen. And shortly after, one of my cheap non ebikes was stolen while locked inside my apartments bike storage area. I think electric scooters might h…

There is clearly a pain point in need of an innovative solution, might be a sizeable market.

Solution is to get rid of the traditional bike rack and have a proper indoor, locked area for bikes.

Re: Reflections on E-Bikes

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> They go really, really fast, for sustained periods of time, and yet are as thin and quiet as a pedal bike. Not really? Class 1 and 2 ebikes in the US top out at 20 mph. Ebikes in Europe usually top out at 25 km/h (15.5 mph). Even 20 mph is achievable by a moderately fit person on a road bike for a sustained period of time.

People can are are modifying them. 80 mph Sur Ron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-udAVx85IFs Call it whatever you want, these are motorcycles.

Thanks for the support. I really don't think most people realize the power of ebikes. You used to need at least a 50cc engine to get to these speeds, and they were relatively big/heavy vehicles (dirt bikes, Vespas, etc.) and always loud. Not any more. Your bike can look like a regular road bike and easily hit 45mph with a kit from Amazon or eBay.

I know because I've done it.

And it scared me so much, I had both myself and my 19yo son go take a motorcycle course this summer to get our M1s before we ended up wrapped around a tree or under a truck.

Re: Reflections on E-Bikes

#169

Bike paths would have been a great thing to put in the infrastructure bill instead of all the special interests and pork. What a missed opportunity.

More funding for bike paths would have been great, but what would you have cut to get it? I kind of like things like water I can drink and bridges that don't fall down. This bill was hard enough to pass as it is. Trying to add funding for bike paths would have been difficult because (a) right-of-way issues tend to make them hideously expensive relative to the constituencies they serve and (b) that constituency tends…

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Re: Reflections on E-Bikes

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In Sydney it’s just too treacherous to cycle, and the risk of injury is too high to me to make it worth it. In addition there are places where bikes are massively inconvenienced vs cars. The classic example is the (I’d guess) 6 story flight of stairs to walk your bike up to use the harbour bridge. There are other examples like this, around bridges. These add a lot of time and sweat to a commute making it more conveni…

We will be moving to a house in the suburbs next year, and then we probably will get a cargo bike, as there we will have space to safely store it and the roads are better for cycling than the city centre. Bikes also need a good amount of infrastructure, and most cities do not have that right now. Given its usually car drivers that pay taxes for roads (either a direct road tax or through fuel) it not really a suprise…

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