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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by apatheticonion »

fabian2k wrote: post #157
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Playing on a TV is different than on a desk. Of course you can do both with a PC, but often you don't have your PC in the right place to play on the couch in front of your TV. There are console-exclusive games, depending on which types of games you like those exclusives can be extremely interesting. A PC is more expensive, almost always has been. If you need a desktop PC anyway, that might not matter much as you only…

I'm with you on the benefits, but for those of us who successfully use a PC as a TV console, console exclusives are a real kick in the teeth.

Bloodborne was released in 2013 and I am still waiting to play it.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by simiones »

melff wrote: post #112
BasilPH wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some great games are playstation exclusive, so if you want to play those, you have no other option. But the main reason for me is the controller: It's just so much better than any other controller I've connected to a PC. The back triggers have excellent force feedback and in some games the vibrations tell you on what type of surface you're walking. This might not count for XBox users, which can use the controller on…

> This might not count for XBox users, which can use the controller on their PC. I use PS4 controllers with my PC(linux), pretty sure they work with windows too. What controllers cannot be connected to a PC?

No idea about the PS5, but the PS3 controllers couldn't be used on Windows at least. PS4 controllers can be used, they work out of the box (USB only if I remember correctly?) - played lots of Dark Souls 3 with them on my PC.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by Hamuko »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #122
okasaki wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only cheaper if the only thing you're using a PC for is gaming. But most people have other uses for it, so now you need a console + PC. Might as well buy a better PC to do everything.

> now you need a console + PC A lot of people I know use console + Mac.

I did this for about 7 years (although with a Hackintosh, not a Mac). These days I have my Hackintosh, a gaming PC and a console, but that's obviously only a thing that you can do with a good amount of disposable income.

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Post by maccard »

ryanlol wrote: post #141
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #120

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> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. How much is a half-decent game PC ? €2000 ? Compare to a €500 console. For €1500 I can buy a lot of 'overpriced' games.

The real question is “how much is an equivalent game PC” because consoles do not perform anywhere near the level of half-decent game PCs.

"it's complicated" - links below. Right now the GPU market is screwed so you would spend more on the equivalent GPU than the entire rest of the hardware, but a $400 GPU (3060Ti) theoretically, plus the rest of the components, (CPU, motherboard, ram) peripherals (you get a £50 gamepad free with your console), software licenses (a legit windows license is not free)

[0] https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2021-call-...

[1] https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-assas...

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by owaislone »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

For me it is the ability to jump in, play for 30 mins and get out any time I want. The guarantee that everything that has a label of my console on it will work instead of my PC specs running it in a sub-optimal mode or not running at all. The fact that I don't have to worry about dealing with Windows or PC in general just to play some games but biggest of all, the ability to just pack it up and take it with me wherever I go is immense. That said, I'll be moving to a different city in NA soon kind of semi-permanently and am thinking of building a home PC for work+gaming.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by fabian2k »

zaarn wrote: post #125
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #120

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> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. How much is a half-decent game PC ? €2000 ? Compare to a €500 console. For €1500 I can buy a lot of 'overpriced' games.

A half decent PC is in the 800€ to 1000€ range. If you're willing to take some graphical downgrades you can do it for 600-800€ too. How many games can you buy for 500€ max? About 10 or so. Maybe.

If you want to play the kind of games you'd play on a console in a similar quality, your figures will only pay for the GPU, and that just barely. The prices are completely insane right now, PC gaming is not very affordable today.

And PC games also cost money, at least if we're talking about similar types of games as on the consoles.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by maccard »

viraptor wrote: post #155
KptMarchewa wrote: post #149

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>You still pay for it in the end. Only if you buy new games at launch. Consoles still have physical media, so from few days to few weeks you can grab games at a large discount.

It's true over the whole population - it's known that the hardware is discounted. You can play the price game of course, just like you can buy discounted steam keys or wait for sales, but on average people don't seem to do that.

The hardware is discounted at launch. For the PS4 and PS5 the consoles have sold at a loss for less than a year.

The cost of new releases on steam or the epic store is very close to the cost of a new release on console, so if you are jumping on new releases straight away the savings are very very slim

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by kingrolo »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I have a beast of a desktop PC but still find myself getting into console games far more than PC games.

I think when I'm at my desk there's always this nagging feeling telling me I could be doing something more productive (code, music, learning) whereas on the sofa with a console I don't feel that.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by amelius »

owaislone wrote: post #165
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

For me it is the ability to jump in, play for 30 mins and get out any time I want. The guarantee that everything that has a label of my console on it will work instead of my PC specs running it in a sub-optimal mode or not running at all. The fact that I don't have to worry about dealing with Windows or PC in general just to play some games but biggest of all, the ability to just pack it up and take it with me wherev…

Minor conveniences spoiling yet another ideal.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by maccard »

apatheticonion wrote: post #161
fabian2k wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Playing on a TV is different than on a desk. Of course you can do both with a PC, but often you don't have your PC in the right place to play on the couch in front of your TV. There are console-exclusive games, depending on which types of games you like those exclusives can be extremely interesting. A PC is more expensive, almost always has been. If you need a desktop PC anyway, that might not matter much as you only…

I'm with you on the benefits, but for those of us who successfully use a PC as a TV console, console exclusives are a real kick in the teeth. Bloodborne was released in 2013 and I am still waiting to play it.

> console exclusives are a real kick in the teeth.

Console exclusives are often funded by manufacturers, so the game may not exist without the console.

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