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Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by lwhsiao »

elromulous wrote: post #71

Re: mini itx cases, I'm surprised no one is mentioning the meshlicious case[1] (linking to Newegg because ssupd's website seems to always be so slow). The nice thing about this case is that it comes with a pcie riser allowing for some pretty large GPUs to fit in it. [1] https://www.newegg.com/black-ssupd-meshlicious-mini-itx/p/2A...

Just did two builds in this case and absolutely love it! Re:Hair/dust, the side panels are so easy to remove that it's been no problem to just hit it with a duster every once in a while. It's small enough to easily take outside for a cleaning, compared to the effort needed to clean my full tower.

Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by Hamuko »

caconym_ wrote: post #125
bruce343434 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get what you're saying. But as a consumer, I don't care what the production costs. I care what the product itself costs and what I'm getting out of it vs what similar products cost and what I get out of those.

The people buying Mini-ITX cases for custom PC builds are typically hobbyists, and the value they derive from these cases (which are expensive across the board, it's a niche low-volume market) is not the same value you or I get from buying a (relatively) cheap ATX tower and throwing whatever parts into it. If you go looking for "similar products", I guarantee that you will find some very expensive cases indeed. Not e…

My Phanteks Evolv Shift Air 2 mini-ITX case was about 120 € (with one 140 mm fan) and I don't think it was that expensive. And it looks really nice + fits beefier components.

Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by flatiron »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #107
rvz wrote: post #84

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Good. Makes it even easier to ignore it. And regardless, why bother building with a fancy box with this when the CPUs and GPUs available for the mini-ITX are going to be 10,000 times slower than the M1 and 100,000 time slower than the M1 Max? Not going to throw money on something and build a computer that is already going to be behind the state of the art. Given that Linux is coming to Apple Silicon machines, it is a…

> And regardless, why bother building with a fancy box with this when the CPUs and GPUs available for the mini-ITX are going to be 10,000 times slower than the M1 and 100,000 time slower than the M1 Max? The benchmarks I can find seem to put M1 family at maybe 2-3 times faster than x86. Except for the benchmarks that are slower, of course. The new versions might be even better, but they're not that much better.

They rightfully are compared with laptop chips. Desktop chips still beat the M1 but they are in a different class.

Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by gbrindisi »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #104
filleokus wrote: post #87

I was actually just today looking at chassis like this for an upcoming build, really good timing! This looks really neat. However, I'm leaning more towards a horizontal chassi (think like a piece of stereo equipment or something). I think it could be pretty nice to have it lying on a shelf / on top of a AV rack, and then run a Thunderbolt cable to a small desk nearby. I found the F12C from Streacom [0] which matches…

I've wanted to build a PC in the Cryorig Taku for a few years now. http://www.cryorig.com/taku.php But the Node 202 would be the much cheaper option.

wow that's a beauty!

Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by listic »

favorited wrote: post #118
shantanujoshi wrote: post #59

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In the SFF (small form factor) case game this is a quite reasonable price. Check out the ncase, ghost s1, etc.

The Ncase is no more, sadly. The company is still around, so everyone is expecting they'll have a new case eventually, but the M1 is EOL.

But why?

Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by least »

solarkraft wrote: post #150

I’m still looking for a case and this one is pretty cute. But of course I’m gonna complain about the price again. Even though this looks pretty innovative (I haven’t seen an “assemble yourself” construction like this before) and this looks something potentially leading to a huge price reduction (I’m gonna guess production cost is somewhere around the 10-25€ mark), it’s still … 200€??? Egh. I guess they’re selling the…

> But that’s also weird, because I would figure that people who care about the brand tend to not build their own computers (is this assumption wrong?), instead usually opting for the fruit brand.

Mini-ITX computers are a niche among a niche market of PC builders. Form factor is inherently a consideration being made when you build one, given the added difficulty and compromises one must make to build one. In that sense, it's pretty obvious that people building such computers would care about the aesthetics of the case they're building in. This also isn't terribly expensive in the world of boutique mini itx cases, where one can easily spend double that on some of the more exclusive ones.

Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by caconym_ »

Hamuko wrote: post #162
caconym_ wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people buying Mini-ITX cases for custom PC builds are typically hobbyists, and the value they derive from these cases (which are expensive across the board, it's a niche low-volume market) is not the same value you or I get from buying a (relatively) cheap ATX tower and throwing whatever parts into it. If you go looking for "similar products", I guarantee that you will find some very expensive cases indeed. Not e…

My Phanteks Evolv Shift Air 2 mini-ITX case was about 120 € (with one 140 mm fan) and I don't think it was that expensive. And it looks really nice + fits beefier components.

The Evolv Shift Air 2 is a cool case, but (as you say) it is on the large side for Mini-ITX cases and therefore likely has much more mass appeal, since the smaller a case is the more difficult (and rewarding for hobbyists/enthusiasts) it will be to spec out components that fit and have adequate cooling.

Just comparing it to some other popular Mini-ITX cases, 23 liters for the Evolv Shift Air 2 is nearly twice the volume of the NZXT H1 (13 liters), and far in excess of the Dan 4 (7 liters) or the Velka 5 (5 liters). Especially the latter two cases are extremely challenging to build in, and at 8.5 liters the "computer-1" is arguably most comparable to that segment despite its GPU length limitations. It's not a put-whatever-you-want-in-it case, and that makes it a niche offering.

I'm not going to argue that there's no TE tax attached here, especially since (unlike similar cases) it doesn't include a PCIe riser or other electronic components, but it's not way out of range for its market segment.

Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by daniel_reetz »

sschueller wrote: post #85
Puts wrote: post #36

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I think anyone complaining about the price is missing something. Anything produced in small quantities will be expensive and I wouldn’t even assume they themselves thinks this product is gonna be profitable. I suspect a lot of the projects TE puts out is more about showcasing their design language to then be able to do collaborations with other brands like IKEA who can take a product to a broader market. In other wor…

This isn't an injection molded part or something with electronic components. There aren't even any fans included. Laser/water jet cutting metal and powder coating it is so common that you can submit such an order online and have it in a day. What I am trying to say is that the cost because of small quantities does not apply here. This is just the cost of the brand.

Actually a laser or waterjet has to pierce all those arrays of holes and slots, which take time, which is what you charge for. Plus deburring and powdercoating. At only 1mm thick the pierces will go fast, but prices will not be cheap until you're punching out low thousands on a CNC turret punch. Source: I own and operate a waterjet and frequently design similar parts.

Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by wolrah »

rglullis wrote: post #148
wlesieutre wrote: post #126

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I had a mini ITX case (Node 202) and liked it well enough once it was all closed up, but even with a modular power supply it's a bit of a mess to get all the cables to fit, and it was a nuisance to open back up. The case went together with plastic clips that would rather snap off instead of releasing. But last time I upgraded my computer I switched to micro ATX and I'm happier with that size. Any maintenance or upgra…

Do people still have LAN parties?

> Do people still have LAN parties?

I averaged one or two a year through the 2010s, but my last one was in early 2020 for obvious reasons.

While most games can be played over the internet these days and voice/video chat is now accessible enough that the experience can be pretty close, in the end there's still nothing like being in the same room as your friends when you're either cooperating to take down a raid boss or taunting them after a headshot.

Re: Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis

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Post by chx »

cletus wrote: post #26

I'm a big fan of this form factor, specifically just big enough to fit a motherboard/CPU/RAM plus a real-size GPU. These all use SFX PSUs and typically just an M2 SSD on the motherboard. They also have only 2 RAM slots. The days of needing a tower are over for most people. I'm all about space-saving while still having a full-power PC. It's a niche, boutique market but there are some really interesting cases. My perso…

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