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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by selykg »

fractalb wrote: post #113
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that Google Photos scans everything, server-side, since like 2012 right?

Maybe the point is that's on the server, not on the device.

On the device means it's going to the server in Apple's case. The option is only enabled when you have the iCloud Photos feature enabled, which means the photos it's scanning are photos that are on their way to the cloud.

If you turn the iCloud Photos feature off, no more scanning is happening.

This seems pretty simple to me.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by billyhoffman »

0des wrote: post #70
firstSpeaker wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The weirdest thing in the Google presentation is that several sections had presenters talking to a different camera than facing the screen. That just felt very strange. Not sure if that is reassuring or a sign of carelessness or a very well planned stunt.

This is a common technique used in film when someone is reading from a teleprompter. It is meant to draw attention away from the speaker's eyes moving from side to side.

Which makes the Apple presentations all the more impressive. The camera is head-on, but I don't notice anyone's eye's moving as if reading a teleprompter. I think they've memorize it

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by nextos »

whichquestion wrote: post #49
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

5 years of security updates, 3 years of feature updates. On the page it says on the 12th footnote, "Feature drops for at least 3 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US. Your Pixel will receive feature drops during the applicable Android update and support periods for the phone. See g.co/pixel/updates for details." On https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 it says…

If you use a third-party ROM such as the excellent GrapheneOS, in practice you get fully featured updates for really really long.

With that said, open source ROMs don't take advantage of some features such as the Tensor SoC, and therefore the camera stops performing so good.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by hocuspocus »

JediWing wrote: post #121

The launch of this phone was utterly botched. There's a hilarious dissonance between the talk of SoC design, AI, computational photography and ambient computing and the inability to handle a website with a relatively simple purchase flow for a phone that, let's be real, probably has about 1/10 th of the interest and web traffic of the iPhone. From the moment the store website went live with these phones there were al…

Year after year, Google keeps reminding us its hardware line is not something's it's taking seriously. They sell phones in a ridiculously small number of countries, and without fail, they can't even do it without hiccups. And when you actually get a device, there's often some hardware issue, or annoying bugs, and sometimes both.

(Writing this on a Pixel 5).

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by kaba0 »

echelon wrote: post #75
marcellus23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

> known child pornography material For some definition. Russia's FSB might have a very different idea of what this is. Anti-Putin memes, for instance. Navalny support materials or brochures. You'll have to watch what you download, because your phone might upload it and incriminate you. Or China's MSS. Winnie the Pooh, Tiananmen Square, Free HK, etc. Or even the FBI. Financial or political leaks, Wikileaks, etc. Once…

Hyperbole is a logical fallacy for a reason

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by 1_player »

seneca wrote: post #144
eric_b wrote: post #89

This will get downvoted immediately but what the heck. I understand we need better representation for people of color in many places - but dang Google, not a single white guy on the Pixel 6 page [0]?? Dozens of photos of people, not one white male. Sort of jarring in the reverse if you ask me. [0] https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6?hl=en-US Edit: Because the common reply to mine seems to be "Well now you know h…

It really has gotten incredibly heavy handed. Their entire marketing campaign for this phone seems to primarily focus on social engineering.

All big companies are adopting this kind of behaviour: show we're inclusive by having as few white heterosexual men as possible.

We're still decades away from racial and sexual integration and equality.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by tehnub »

alexmcc81 wrote: post #61
marcellus23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

> exact matches Not exact matches. Hashes. Hashes that were quickly show to have collisions that the company brushed off.

That's why they require that you reach a certain threshold number of matches before its sent for human review. The threshold allows them to take the probability of a false collision, which they can estimate from data, and set the probability of an overall false-flag by requiring a certain number of these collisions. They've released that the threshold, to start, would have been 30 (Page 10 of https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/Security_Threat_Model...). They claim that, given the probability of a false collision, and the threshold that they've set, the probability of your photos being sent for human review falsely is 1/trillion.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by lucasgonze »

eric_b wrote: post #89

This will get downvoted immediately but what the heck. I understand we need better representation for people of color in many places - but dang Google, not a single white guy on the Pixel 6 page [0]?? Dozens of photos of people, not one white male. Sort of jarring in the reverse if you ask me. [0] https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6?hl=en-US Edit: Because the common reply to mine seems to be "Well now you know h…

You're precisely missing the point. There is a new feature to better capture non-white skin tones. Those photos are to illustrate a product benefit.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RealTone&src=typed_query&f=t...

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by e9 »

eric_b wrote: post #89

This will get downvoted immediately but what the heck. I understand we need better representation for people of color in many places - but dang Google, not a single white guy on the Pixel 6 page [0]?? Dozens of photos of people, not one white male. Sort of jarring in the reverse if you ask me. [0] https://store.google.com/product/pixel_6?hl=en-US Edit: Because the common reply to mine seems to be "Well now you know h…

I actually don’t think this is why they did it. I only know white males who use Android. Period. They already got that market. Therefore there is no point for them to advertise to white males. You always advertise to demographic you want.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by CameronNemo »

meetups323 wrote: post #23
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

Do you think Google doesn't scan photos uploaded to its cloud services for CSAM?

The commenter implied that they plan to use a non stock ROM, presumably to get their data and device away from Google cloud services.
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