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Re: Backblaze S-1 IPO

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I love Backblaze. Kind of surprised they aren’t profitable. >” In the years ended December 31, 2019 and 2020, our revenue was $40.7 million and $53.8 million, respectively, representing growth of 32%. We incurred net losses of $1.0 million and $6.6 million for the years ended December 31, 2019 and 2020, respectively”

I love backblaze too - but I don’t know why Apple haven’t copied their business out of existence (for apple users at least) The original backblaze was literally Time Machine in the cloud.

Presumably because Backblaze's margins are far too low for Apple, so Apple would have to do "Backblaze, but overpriced", which could look bad - or be content with low margin.

Re: Backblaze S-1 IPO

#162

I love Backblaze. Kind of surprised they aren’t profitable. >” In the years ended December 31, 2019 and 2020, our revenue was $40.7 million and $53.8 million, respectively, representing growth of 32%. We incurred net losses of $1.0 million and $6.6 million for the years ended December 31, 2019 and 2020, respectively”

They could be profitable at the drop of a hat, they'd just have to slow down their growth. This isn't rare for tech companies that IPO, in fact, these losses are rather modest for the level that they are operating at.

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This caught me by surprise as well because I am pretty sure they have stated before that they were profitable.

Yeah, what gives? I remember they prided themselves on being profitable, self-funded and not beholden to VCs. Sure enough, I was able to confirm that with a quick search: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15074289 >Finally, Backblaze is profoundly different than CrashPlan in that we never really raised any bank financing or VC financing. We're 90% employee owned, and there are no deep pockets. CrashPlan raised som…

Being cash-flow positive does not necessarily imply being profitable. The one is a day-to-day indication on whether or not you are able to make ends meet without outside funding, the other one is the basis on which you will pay - or not - taxes. It is absolutely possible to be cash-flow positive but not yet profitable, especially while growing.

There are many reasons why cash-flow and profitability can be out of step with each other, for instance, you might have capital expenditures that are going to influence future years' books, you might have an interest carrying bank loan, you may have invested money into acquiring users whose lifetime value is larger than the cost to acquire them but you haven't broken even on that yet, it's possible to have the reverse and so on.

Accounting for all this - and doing so properly - is not as easy as it may seem to be for an outsider or someone who is used to just sell their own hours, where you can immediately see the difference between income and costs and label that profits.

And even there the situation can get more complex, for instance, if work is done in one year but the invoice is sent in the next. Profit wise you are booking that money in the year the work was done, even if the actual cash only lands in the next. Pre-paid services are even more complicated (here you typically partition a chunk of the income month-by-month until the total amount is accounted for).

Re: Backblaze S-1 IPO

#164

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Backblaze was tweeting about being profitable as late as 2020: https://twitter.com/backblaze/status/1242481625004273665

The figures above are with GAAP standards but as a private company do they actually have to use that?

It certainly helps if you plan on going public at any point in the future.

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#165
I tried Backblaze's backup plan.

Their software is just not good, I would say it's even bad. It just didn't work for me.

Something poorly written that they just didn't bother to improve. I guess because most of their customers can't tell the difference anyway whether it's working or not.

Re: Backblaze S-1 IPO

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I love Backblaze. Kind of surprised they aren’t profitable. >” In the years ended December 31, 2019 and 2020, our revenue was $40.7 million and $53.8 million, respectively, representing growth of 32%. We incurred net losses of $1.0 million and $6.6 million for the years ended December 31, 2019 and 2020, respectively”

Sounds to me like prices will pretty much inevitably go up after they're public, and I'll finally have the motivation to set up my own remote backup by exchanging hard drives with a friend of mine on the other end of the country.

They've already put prices up once, but are still supremely affordable for a "fire and forget" backup service.

Sure, you can probably do it cheaper with your "friend with a hard drive" solution, but there's zero redundancy there, you'll need to replace the hard drive when it eventually goes bad etc. etc.

For some people that's a tradeoff worth making, but for me, a few extra $ a month for peace of mind is worth it.

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https://arqbackup.com/ I use the macOS version and it's excellent.

How much does it cost you to back your data up (and on which cloud provider)?

Not the parent comment but I use Arq on windows and mac machines at home. This is only for personal data mind you.

What I backup: Three machines currently, my laptop, my desktop, and my wife's laptop. I don't do a full drive backup as I have no problem re-installing software, losing settings, etc. I just backup documents and media for the most part. This includes wedding photos, rental agreements, bank statements, my own git repos, etc.

All of the photos and most documents also sit in a dropbox folder and are downloaded across all 3 machines. We don't do every photo from our phones because we take a lot of rubbish but usually pull over holiday snaps etc pretty quickly.

When I backup: Each machine has a daily backup using Arq which goes up to AWS S3. I then have weekly backups to Backblaze B2. Only reason to not have daily going to B2 is just to keep costs low. This backup frequency feels comfortable for our uses and we feel fairly comfortable with photos being on dropbox and synced in real-time as those are the most important to us.

I also have a separate backup from my wife's computer which runs hourly and just stores documents related to her studying to minimise loss of work if the laptop crashed during the day.

All in all this costs about $3-$5 a month on AWS and a bit less for Backblaze B2. We then pay for dropbox individual plus at £95 a year. All the backups are compressed and encrypted by Arq and it rolls up and ages off backups for us as I don't really care too much about recovering something from several years ago. Looking at the S3 dashboard we're storing 168.3 GB in total across 4 buckets.

I'm sure many people will say this is insanely little data to backup, but it's not important to us to backup everything really, we'd rather have a simple and cheap system to backup the data that's important to us. With the prices I'd have no problem expanding it to more data if needed though.

In the future I'll probably look at buying a NAS and hooking it up to Arq as well, but that'll have to wait until we've bought our first house.

Final note of praise for Arq, UI is really simple (my wife who's not a techie understands it), you can setup email alerts, and recover individual documents from specific backups without needing to restore everything.

Re: Backblaze S-1 IPO

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How does deduplication work on encrypted files though? I thought they advertise their personal backup plan to be fully encrypted - this would mean that backblaze shouldn't be able to access / identify the data...

It doesn’t. But, if it’s a key generated at their end, they could dedupe the original data. S3 bucket encryption been an example. Source: I work in deduplication for a well known company.

Not sure how the keys are generated (I'm not a backblaze user) but since one apparently has to use their software for backup jobs there might be chance that they also store the keys on their servers for this exact purpose...

This would definitely limit the inconvenience caused by personal users with huge amounts of data - like op with his 80 TB

Re: Backblaze S-1 IPO

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According to Backblaze's calculator[0], it would cost $4,800/yr to store 80TB on Backblaze B2 and you're storing it for $60/yr. Cases like these are why unlimited storage plans don't make sense... Also it irks me that the personal backup plan forbids network drives [1]. I can't backup my 4TB NAS but 80TB is fine because it's stored on one machine? 0 - https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html 1 - https:…

It makes perfect sense because just like every other cloud company, they hook you pre-IPO. Post IPO or buyout, with lots of customers dependent upon them, they can raise their prices to a bit above market price because their customers will resist moving. Think about it: if you have a backups stored with them via their proprietary backup client, you have to stick with them or lose all your backup revisions; there's no…

I think Backblaze only stores 30 days of revisions anyways, so to migrate you only have to maintain two backup service subscriptions for a month. And you might want to do that anyways since if you have a lot of data, it might be weeks before you get all of your backups on the second service.

Re: Backblaze S-1 IPO

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Backblaze's calculator[0], it would cost $4,800/yr to store 80TB on Backblaze B2 and you're storing it for $60/yr. Cases like these are why unlimited storage plans don't make sense... Also it irks me that the personal backup plan forbids network drives [1]. I can't backup my 4TB NAS but 80TB is fine because it's stored on one machine? 0 - https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html 1 - https:…

If you mount your NAS using iSCSI it will be considered local drive and be available for backup by Backblaze.

Or just buy an 8 TB external, hook it up to your Backblaze-enabled PC and back up your NAS to the external with rsync. And the additional benefit is that you've also implemented 3-2-1 doing so.
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