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Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by pxc »

hsn915 wrote: post #17
johannes_ne wrote: post #13

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Have you tried switching to Wayland?

How can people be having this kind of conversation while also claiming this is the state of the art or the gold standard in 2021? I've been running macos since 2012 and never had such issues. That's over 10 years ago. Of course, OS X is older than that, and as far as I can tell, it never had such issues.

Apple gets to dictate both what display server and what graphics hardware macOS users get to use. Linux distros necessarily face integration issues that Apple has never had to.

You're right that it still sucks, but this isn't a matter of Wayland being insufficiently 'advanced'. This is about relationships between enterprises as much as it is about technical challenges.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by pxc »

skinkestek wrote: post #134
PolCPP wrote: post #111

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Here: Install this, will fix how command+tab works and it's actively developed. https://github.com/lwouis/alt-tab-macos

Wow! If this works it deals with the single biggest ux problem of Mac OS for a number of us.

Let us know how it went! I'm away from all the Macs I have access to atm

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by pxc »

rg111 wrote: post #147
lugged wrote: post #128

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You seem to be confused, Linux doesn't have the problems you think it does. Im a daily Linux user and don't have these problems you're suggesting. Have you made a bug report?

Sometimes I do. With the previous Kubuntu installation, the VLC wouldn't fully close. It would show up in the list of processes and also in the tray. Turned out it was a common bug and I had to manually kill the process using flag -9. It got fixed in the current version. There are small problems rampant with desktop Linux distros that get in your way. I have been using Linux as my daily driver since four years ago.

I get being reflexively defensive of what seem to be secondhand opinions, but denialism like GP's is not helpful to anyone, including the desktop Linux community as a whole. :(

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by abrouwers »

thinkpadx1g4tw wrote: post #144
cpuguy83 wrote: post #138

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Better marketing doesn't make it better. If you compare the actual releases I think you will find Debian to be more stable overall.

I would prefer to use Debian if it was more stable. It worked fine on my workstation but if I try to use it on my laptop it would not ever resume from suspend making it unusable. I think Ubuntu has the benefit of the large user base making it more likely that your problem is solved. My laptop is also a 5 year old thinkpad x1 gen 4 so it should be supported, and Debian is the only linux that gave me this problem.

Odd, I own this exact laptop, and haven't experienced any suspend/resume issues on either debian 10, nor 11.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by pxc »

wilsonfiifi wrote: post #155

Have been using Pop OS as my daily driver on an i3 NUC10 for the past 9 months and i've got to say the experience has been relatively smooth. The only issues i've encountered so far are the occasional screen flickering when i run the android emulator and printing. But funny enough I'm able to put up with these little inconveniences because after all it's a free OS. I find myself to be much more tolerant than when I w…

> But funny enough I'm able to put up with these little inconveniences because after all it's a free OS. I find myself to be much more tolerant than when I was using MacOS and my macbook pro. Between the dead keys, apple tax, dongle life and the OS quirks ...

For me, this is not so much a matter of cost but of transparency. When there's an annoyance I know I can easily pinpoint to a configuration issue I just haven't had time to play with, or a specific, known kernel module bug whose progress is being tracked publicly, it feels like my issue, my mess.

Linux problems feel like bits of clutter I've generated in my home and just haven't gotten around to tidying up yet. MacOS (and to a lesser extent, Windows) problems feel like a finicky and absent roommate's messes: I know little about where they came from (and I might as well not ask); I hope they'll go away on their own, but I really have no idea when they'll be resolved; and often it's best to just avoid touching or thinking about them, much as they annoy me.

Problems on non-free operating systems, especially very configuration-limited ones like macOS, are just too opaque and alienating for me to feel like I 'own' them. And that makes them infuriating in a way that Linux problems never are for me.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by KronisLV »

cpuguy83 wrote: post #138
KronisLV wrote: post #136

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I think for many some of the appeal of Ubuntu is in Ubuntu LTS, which gets more attention than the Debian alternative. Have a look at the Ubuntu LTS page: https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop And then look at the Debian equivalent: https://www.debian.org/lts/ (though the differences are perhaps because the latter is comparatively more unofficial) But hey, many people prefer more stable distros with somewhat long life…

Better marketing doesn't make it better. If you compare the actual releases I think you will find Debian to be more stable overall.

Ahh, but the difference here is not in the stability of Debian vs Ubuntu, but rather the fact that Debian's LTS offering is just a community effort, as opposed to Ubuntu having an official LTS release.

Many aren't even aware that Debian has LTS releases in the first place.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by mazugrin2 »

toastercat wrote: post #12
Shared404 wrote: post #7

As far as I'm concerned, this is the current gold standard for out-of-box experience desktop Linux. There are things I would do differently if I were building a system myself, but PopOS "Just Works", and is more polished than Win10 imho.

Installed it on a Dell XPS13 recently. It's great except I have to restart GNOME every couple hours because of of annoying visual glitch that makes all text disappear.

Try adding 'i915.enable_psr=0' to your kernel params. This fixes a weird bug I encountered where text would disappear, or weirdly not disappear when it should have disappeared. Hopefully this helps!

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by milankragujevic »

helmholtz wrote: post #105
badRNG wrote: post #74

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Here's a few: - Great initial repo list - Togglable tiling manager - Excellent shortcuts for everything that improve my workflow Sure, I could get all of this stuff and more working on any other distro, but this stuff works out of the box, and is stable.

Is there any way to use Pop without the gnome backend? Gnome and Pop both ship with Nautilus, and apparently don't work well without it, but Nautilus doesn't have type-ahead navigation. This is when you are in a directory and start typing the first few letters of the file you want to get to. In Windows Explorer, that will just lead to the cursor skipping ahead, whereas in Gnome, this starts a search for the file. It'…

I had the same issue and resolved it on Pop! OS with this patched nautilus from a PPA.

https://launchpad.net/~lubomir-brindza/+archive/ubuntu/nauti...

Works great for me!

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by trelane »

lugged wrote: post #159
skoskie wrote: post #139

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You are absolutely correct. I remember when I switched from Windows XP to Mac how much quieter it got. No more constant pop ups, and importantly, apps were not allowed to steal focus. Now there’s a constant stream of interruptions. I’m constantly having window focus stolen by others apps while I’m typing, constantly having notifications, and the UI has only gotten worse over the last few years. But damn if that hardw…

Get a ThinkPad and install fedora. Read the arch wiki if you run into problems with specific software. You'll barely notice the change tbh, gnome is really good these days especially on a standard fedora workstation release. ThinkPads mostly just work (they use Ubuntu to run their acceptance tests before shipping). You do sometimes run into issues for a couple months on new machine releases while kernel catches up bu…

> having enough Linux users running them means things get fixed eventually unlike on say system76

In the Bad Old Days, this was true-having Linux developers using your Windows hardware would ensure it's eventually mostly supported. Note the "eventually" and "mostly."

System76 ships with Ubuntu or Pop! OS, and they support it for up three years. This is a _huge_ improvement. System76 makes sure both that Linux supports he hardware, but also that the _hardware_ supports _Linux._ This is night-and-day different from the bad old days.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by physicles »

I switched to Pop OS from Ubuntu about a year ago, and I love it. Stable, good battery life, everything just works. The auto-tiling works well, but what really made me faster was having dedicated keyboard shortcuts for specific apps.

For instance, Win+1 switches immediately to the open terminal window, and if it’s not already open, it opens it. Win+2 is the same for VS Code opened to the repo I work in most frequently. Win+3 for chrome, +4 for a text editor, etc. For comfort, on keyboards that don’t have a Win key on the right side, right ctrl gets rebound to that.

I don’t even need the dock anymore, because 95% of the time I’m switching between just a few apps. Alt+tab works for the remaining 5%.

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