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Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by mthoms »

helloworld11 wrote: post #147
mthoms wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of Canadians would disagree with the characterization of simply getting a shot in the arm as an "invasive medical procedure" . Please, stop the over dramatization. It's embarrassing. Children, babies and pets get needles all the time. It's literally a fact of modern life. You know what isn't a fact of modern life? Polio.

And guess what the blindingly obvious difference is for those children and babies that get their different vaccines? That it's fucking voluntary. It's a decision made by their parents or guardians based on their own health and risk criteria, with no authoritarian travel restrictions based on ambiguous science and apparent corporate cronyism thrown in on top of the situation. This is very different from what's being e…

Nothing you just said changes the fact that no-one, not-ever, considers a needle an "invasive medical procedure". It's silly.

Good rant though. Complete with childish swearing even!

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by [deleted] »

mthoms wrote: post #160
switch007 wrote: post #155

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I'm just wondering how you've played _your_ part in not burdening the health system during your life? Of course infectious diseases aren't the only way to burden a health system Obviously, I presume you don't smoke and never have smoked. Never drunk alcohol. Nor are overweight and never been overweight. And done everything in your power to reduce risk of cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc. And you never leave your hou…

You changed the threshold from "overwhelming the healthcare system" to "using the healthcare system". and think you're being clever. That won't work here. >See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Save the drama, special snowflake. What we're saying, very clearly is "do your part to save lives". If you're too selfish to do that, the rest of us don't want to be around you. Not because we th…

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Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by switch007 »

mthoms wrote: post #160
switch007 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just wondering how you've played _your_ part in not burdening the health system during your life? Of course infectious diseases aren't the only way to burden a health system Obviously, I presume you don't smoke and never have smoked. Never drunk alcohol. Nor are overweight and never been overweight. And done everything in your power to reduce risk of cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc. And you never leave your hou…

You changed the threshold from "overwhelming the healthcare system" to "using the healthcare system". and think you're being clever. That won't work here. >See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Save the drama, special snowflake. What we're saying, very clearly is "do your part to save lives". If you're too selfish to do that, the rest of us don't want to be around you. Not because we th…

The UK healthcare system is constantly overwhelmed. What do you think it was overwhelmed by in the years 2019 and earlier?

Every single winter he NHS is on the brink of collapse. You can easily find the stories.

> do your part to save lives

I know that’s what you’re saying. So what’s your diet? How much does your car pollute?

And the statistics are stacked well against you in your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you. Save the drama

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by rubyist5eva »

salamandersauce wrote: post #154
rubyist5eva wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my province in particular, mandatory vaccines were implemented in a small subset of regulated industries - but then the rest of the private sector moved in lockstep to require proof of vaccination for service and employment. For my demographic, the moderna vaccine is no longer recommended - we are told to get Pfizer instead even though the vaccines are basically the same (including the risks moderna is being advis…

There's nothing invasive about a vaccine. There's many definitions of invasive medical procedure but it has more to do with what level of cutting you open counts. Not a 30 second jab in the arm that leaves no permanent damage. You've probably had a dozen of these "invasive" procedures as a kid and completely forgotten about them. I don't believe you should have the freedom to spread around an infectious disease that…

The literal medical definition of invasive: ‘involving puncture or incision of the skin or insertion of an instrument or injection of foreign material into the body’

It’s not a subjective term.

Not everyone that that isn’t vaccinated is infected by default, and people that are vaccinated can spread the disease as well.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by mthoms »

switch007 wrote: post #163
mthoms wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You changed the threshold from "overwhelming the healthcare system" to "using the healthcare system". and think you're being clever. That won't work here. >See, what you're saying is: I don't believe you should have freedom. Save the drama, special snowflake. What we're saying, very clearly is "do your part to save lives". If you're too selfish to do that, the rest of us don't want to be around you. Not because we th…

The UK healthcare system is constantly overwhelmed. What do you think it was overwhelmed by in the years 2019 and earlier? Every single winter he NHS is on the brink of collapse. You can easily find the stories. > do your part to save lives I know that’s what you’re saying. So what’s your diet? How much does your car pollute? And the statistics are stacked well against you in your accusation that an unvaccinated pers…

> overwhelmed

You know very well the load on the health system is not the same now as it was pre-covid. Just stop with the word games, it's embarrassing (as is the whataboutism for that matter).

For example: My dad's cancer treatment was never delayed pre-covid. It was after. That's entirely unprecedented.

>your accusation that an unvaccinated person will kill you.

Surprise! There you go with more words games instead of honest debate (changing what I said from "might kill" to "will kill").

Listen, this arguing style might work in your circles but not with actual informed grown ups. Do better. This is laughable.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by rubyist5eva »

mthoms wrote: post #161
helloworld11 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And guess what the blindingly obvious difference is for those children and babies that get their different vaccines? That it's fucking voluntary. It's a decision made by their parents or guardians based on their own health and risk criteria, with no authoritarian travel restrictions based on ambiguous science and apparent corporate cronyism thrown in on top of the situation. This is very different from what's being e…

Nothing you just said changes the fact that no-one, not-ever, considers a needle an "invasive medical procedure". It's silly. Good rant though. Complete with childish swearing even!

The literal medical definition of invasive: ‘involving puncture or incision of the skin or insertion of an instrument or injection of foreign material into the body’

It’s not a subjective term.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by rubyist5eva »

mthoms wrote: post #137
rubyist5eva wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saskatchewan. Recent developments are that they are pulling retired police officers out of retirement in order to enforce mandatory isolation at “secure isolation sites”. https://sun-nurses.sk.ca/pub/docs/member-resources/COVID19/M... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-covid-...

That's blatant and shameless fear mongering. And your description of - > the government has given itself vast power to perform warrantless search, confiscate property and conscript any person Is entirely misleading if not outright false. The "emergency powers" are written to support fighting natural emergencies (primarily). Read the entire thing for context (warning:PDF) https://www.saskpublicsafety.ca/-/media/projec…

Yeah because it's one thing we all know is that power tripping police don't abuse their power and get off easy. They are all constitutional scholars that would never infringe on our rights and use force unjustifiably.

Nobody is entering my property without a warrant.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by didibus »

Majromax wrote: post #99
didibus wrote: post #40

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I'm in the states, and they consider 2 dose to be "fully vaccinated". This is relevant for all laws that mention the requirement is to be "fully vaccinated", and that's 2 dose for Pfizer or Moderna and one for J&J.

The problem is that the United States is relying on FDA approval for its recognized vaccines. As a result, AZ shots are not recognized for US-travel purposes, so a Canadian who received a first AZ shot and a second Pfizer shot has only one dose as far as the US is concerned. Canada has approved the J&J vaccine, but it has not distributed any such shots. The first shipment it received came from the troubled production…

Oh I see, thanks for the clarification.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by sleepysysadmin »

The yellow journalism from the CBC is at it again. You can't trust anything they say.

The actual thing that happened? Canada(mainly federal) completely screwed up. Trudeau was busy trying to get a manufacturing plant built to produce. That is to say, Trudeau was spending big $ on his own riding in montreal. https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/vaccines-will-be-produced-in-mon...

And because of that... we were really far behind for a long time. you might also notice... we never actually produced any novavax vaccines. We are pfizer and moderna. So where'd the money go? Oh right... Trudeau and corruption... basically the same thing.

https://nationalpost.com/news/u-s-vaccine-rollout-vastly-out...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/04/04/live-c...

Very clear that the CBC article is basically propaganda.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by salamandersauce »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #164
salamandersauce wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing invasive about a vaccine. There's many definitions of invasive medical procedure but it has more to do with what level of cutting you open counts. Not a 30 second jab in the arm that leaves no permanent damage. You've probably had a dozen of these "invasive" procedures as a kid and completely forgotten about them. I don't believe you should have the freedom to spread around an infectious disease that…

The literal medical definition of invasive: ‘involving puncture or incision of the skin or insertion of an instrument or injection of foreign material into the body’ It’s not a subjective term. Not everyone that that isn’t vaccinated is infected by default, and people that are vaccinated can spread the disease as well.

Of course not, but vaccinated people are not spreading it or getting it at the same rates, nor are they filling up ICUs and hospital beds at the same rates. That's the problem. Unvaccinated people are a minority of the population taking up the majority of hospital space which has lead to procedures and care being cancelled for others . It's only when the healthcare systems stop being at risk of derailed can we actually move past this.
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