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Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by ncphil »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #14

I am guessing someone is going to lose their clearance. ;-)

Probably not if they're a staff officer or above.

Check your damn phone at the gate. What's so hard about that?

Having said that, there are way too many secrets out there. Maybe if the system was more open we'd have a fighting chance of cutting off waste, fraud and abuse before it metastasizes into a debilitating nightmare like the LCS. But then, I guess preventing any ebb in the flow of cash into the system is the whole point, isn't it?

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Post by RantyDave »

blunte wrote: post #69

But in these (dis?)information games, it wouldn't be difficult to setup a fake scenario like this just to make one's opponents feel really underpowered. Imagine the fun of building a nice cool futuristic mockup, putting in on a trailer, and then leaking it to tiktok. It would cost so little and be so fun. This is obviously comical speculation, but anything is possible.

Comical speculation? Pretend weapons were invented in the Second World War (and probably prior). I agree, it would cost fuck all and be a right laugh. Next week they're going to do the Millennium Falcon.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by publicola1990 »

wahern wrote: post #147
Kretinsky wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

But is China really threating the US directly in anyway through military confrontation? Taiwan, China sea matters are localised to the close neighborhood of China.

Does the US desire peaceful coexistence with China or not? Reading some of the hawkish, cold war style jingoism coming out of US media makes one wonder?

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Post by tcmart14 »

bhawks wrote: post #145
Kretinsky wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

China routine threatens US allies with military, even nuclear action. If the US military did not consider China a potential adversary it is not doing its job. Threatening nuclear attack on Japan https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1228036.shtml Border standoff with India https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192872.shtml Threatening Australia with nukes https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1234460.shtml

To be fair, I deployed on US Navy ships twice. It is better to think of it as fking with eachother. We tail them for a week or two, they tail us. Russians fly an aircraft over us, we do it over them. I think it is more about showing off than actually threatening. Media only presents this when Russians or Chinese approach us, but not the other way around.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

Johnny555 wrote: post #91
tablespoon wrote: post #65

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> I would assume that once a photo hits any social media, the Chinese and other adversaries (and allies) have already scraped it. Don't all the social media companies make it hard to scrape their sites, especially in bulk? It's definitely impossible to contain something once it's all over a bunch of blogs like this, but it might be possible to contain some things if caught early enough. There's also the private messa…

Don't all the social media companies make it hard to scrape their sites, especially in bulk When you can throw unlimited developers and real humans at it, it's not so hard to scrape. I'd be willing to bet money that there are Chinese affiliated agents (possibly based in the USA or other countries) in every military related Facebook group.

Additionally, there's corporate tools that can do this. We use one at work that monitors mention of our brand names etc so that our customer care can reply. It's called Sprinklr. It does all the major platforms.

In fact there's dozens of tools just like it. I'm not sure whether they're scraping the platforms or get legitimate access. But whichever it is, it's dozens of companies to infiltrate and get a link into their feeds. Trivial for a nation state actor.

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Post by jrochkind1 »

slavboj wrote: post #136
tablespoon wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would assume that once a photo hits any social media, the Chinese and other adversaries (and allies) have already scraped it. Don't all the social media companies make it hard to scrape their sites, especially in bulk? It's definitely impossible to contain something once it's all over a bunch of blogs like this, but it might be possible to contain some things if caught early enough. There's also the private messa…

Every large US social media site has employees who are Chinese intelligence assets.

Make sense. Probably Tik-Tok (etc) has employees who are US intelligence assets too, safe to assume seems like.

Now I wonder if every large US social media company also has employees who are intelligence assets of US agencies. I'm not going to say 'safe to assume', theoretically America likes to think of itself as having that kind of domestic secret policing, but I wonder.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

kbenson wrote: post #150
Frost1x wrote: post #139

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You know they do have to fly these things for real testing. Only so much can be simulated with computers and wind tunnels. It's not a matter if it's exposed, it's a matter of when and where it's exposed. Security through obscurity is very much still a legitimate thing for a lot of aspects. We're not quite to a point yet where you have continuous ultra high resolution satellite imagery of the ground where you could fe…

Well, there's a slight difference between "flying these things for real testing" and being carted around on a flatbed where yahoos with a smartphones are around to take videos and post them. Presumably, if it actually requires some level of security clearance, either it should have been covered for transport, or the yahoos with smartphones should have been cleared of the area to at least reduce the chance of somethin…

It might be a fake or a plant, with the "leaked video" a disinformation tactic.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

Johnny555 wrote: post #17

An OPSEC violation has once again made a case for why using TikTok should be a punishable offense in the military, It's not clear why TikTok is singled out here, this could just has easily been posted to Facebook or Instagram or one of the other myriad of social media platforms, or pushed automatically to someone's open photo album in the cloud. If OPSEC is important, don't let people bring their personal camera phon…

It might be a fake or a plant, with the "leaked video" a misnformation tactic. The whole thing a planned ploy. Like a FOUND FOOTAGE Hollywood film,
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