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Re: 5000% Increase in the sale of baseball bats on Amazon.co.uk

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Post by nakkiel »

andypants wrote: post #138
MrScruff wrote: post #129

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Yes, I read that earlier. What did you find insightful in it? The people involved aren't commenting on government policy. They're looting. I think some on the left are desperately trying to spin this as some sort of popular uprising but it's nothing of the sort.

Exactly, it's not (directly) political. These are poor people without jobs and opportunities, and gangsters and criminals. These guys sure aren't protesting any issues. Therefore I'd agree with mortenjorck, the majority of the rioters probably don't have credit cards and probably aren't the kind of people who order stuff from amazon.

If they are poor, without jobs and opportunities, I think they are, one way or another, protesting. We made the exact same mistake in France in 2005. If you prefer, these events are the manifestation of their condition which could be qualified of passive or unconscious protestation.

Re: 5000% Increase in the sale of baseball bats on Amazon.co.uk

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Post by andypants »

nakkiel wrote: post #161
andypants wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, it's not (directly) political. These are poor people without jobs and opportunities, and gangsters and criminals. These guys sure aren't protesting any issues. Therefore I'd agree with mortenjorck, the majority of the rioters probably don't have credit cards and probably aren't the kind of people who order stuff from amazon.

If they are poor, without jobs and opportunities, I think they are, one way or another, protesting. We made the exact same mistake in France in 2005. If you prefer, these events are the manifestation of their condition which could be qualified of passive or unconscious protestation.

Yep, I agree, that's why I said it's not directly political.

There are political issues at hand, even if the rioters themselves aren't aware of them.

Re: 5000% Increase in the sale of baseball bats on Amazon.co.uk

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Post by mileszs »

burgerbrain wrote: post #82
mileszs wrote: post #70

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I find your comment quite disturbing. I can get behind leaving a looter (slightly) bloody and bruised, I suppose, but the nonchalance with which you proclaim these other humans "deserve to die", and state that it's "only fair" is ... well, disturbing. That's the best word. It's disturbing. The whole damned thing is disturbing.

If a looter sees that someone has a metal baseball bat and doesn't decided to walk away, then they are responsible for what happens to themselves. Anyone with two braincells to rub together knows that if you go up against somebody with a giant metal club, you might die. Let's be honest here, these are not sniper rifles, in order for someone to be killed by someone wielding a bat defensively they have to opt-in. What…

In order to kill someone with a baseball bat, you must aim for their heads. It's possible to incapacitate someone with a baseball bat without aiming to kill them.

You also are assuming that all of these confrontations are done face-to-face, and that both parties have plenty of time to think about what they're doing first. It's already pretty clear few of these looters are analyzing anything.

Re: 5000% Increase in the sale of baseball bats on Amazon.co.uk

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Post by mileszs »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #80
mileszs wrote: post #70

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I find your comment quite disturbing. I can get behind leaving a looter (slightly) bloody and bruised, I suppose, but the nonchalance with which you proclaim these other humans "deserve to die", and state that it's "only fair" is ... well, disturbing. That's the best word. It's disturbing. The whole damned thing is disturbing.

If the looter is alone and there is police squad nearby - there is no need to even beat the looter - catch him and send to prison. Unfortunately looting mob during mass riots puts store owners into totally different situation. They basically have only two options: run vs fight. I'm not sure if I personally would choose to fight in that situation, but if business owner chooses fight option, I would support him even if…

I did not advocate _not_ fighting. I advocated not _killing_.
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