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Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by catsncomputers »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #23

Well, just added Australia to the list of places I'm never going. > The two Australian law enforcement bodies AFP and ACIC will soon have the power to modify, add, copy, or delete your data should you become a suspect in the investigation of a serious crime. How would one prove the bodies didnt add/modify incriminating items? in the US that would be nigh impossible to argue against as the system implicitly trusts pol…

Check the source, and try to verify it against any other information. I can't seem to find anything from a credible source to verify the extent this article claims

EDIT: since I can't directly reply - the article linked below directly contradicts the URL on the HN post - it clearly states that warrants would be needed. It is also political hyperbole and contains very few details about the actual bill. I recommend scrolling down to jpollock's response for credible sources.

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Post by CyanBird »

hutzlibu wrote: post #67
maerF0x0 wrote: post #23

Well, just added Australia to the list of places I'm never going. > The two Australian law enforcement bodies AFP and ACIC will soon have the power to modify, add, copy, or delete your data should you become a suspect in the investigation of a serious crime. How would one prove the bodies didnt add/modify incriminating items? in the US that would be nigh impossible to argue against as the system implicitly trusts pol…

Well, the police can also temper with any other evidence all the time anyway. So it is anyway about trust - and how to check reliable, if they deserve trust. This is how I would choose, which places to visit. Australia is still quite good on that list, as cases where the police officers for example - are the ones doing the kidnapping and ransoming and investigation about it all by themself, like it is common in other…

> Well, the police can also temper with any other evidence all the time anyway

Yeah, they do, but that's illegal and NOT encoded in law

So Aus has just made police tampering legal

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Post by perch56 »

hughrr wrote: post #57
yakz wrote: post #34

I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

Well fuck I just moved to Fastmail. Who else is out there? And no I’m not self hosting.

Tutanota and Mailbox.org are 2 good alternatives.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by mlavin »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #145
xxpor wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keep in mind it’s different to America, you get paid decent money from the state to stay at home. I wish this meme would die. People in the US got paid decent money too. The federal gov spent $3 trillion more on transfer payments in Q1 2021 than it did in Q4 2019. This is more than a doubling. That's nearly $17,000 for every human in the US. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/B087RC1Q027SBEA

How can that be possible when we only had like a few hundred in checks, or some few hundred in additional unemployment for people who were unemployed?

There are far more government social programs than unenployment benefits and stimulus checks.

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Post by narrator »

Something really bizarre and unsettling is happening in Australia. Despite a small number of covid deaths, they have by far the most totalitarian lockdowns and are pursuing some of the most extreme social control measures of any country on earth. They are building quarantine imprisonment camps, doing national manhunts for people who aren't quarantining, arresting people for anti-government speech, using the military to limit movement. You are not even allowed to leave the country anymore! Things really happened so fast and with so little debate that it rivals the speed and severity of loss of rights that occurs in a communist revolution. What the heck is even going on there?

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Post by kertoip_1 »

merlinscholz wrote: post #90
guerrilla wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's terrible news. I wonder how this will interact with ProtonMail (which I just switched to.) On the other hand, I don't think you can draw your conclusion from those two examples. Also, other than the cantons of Appenzell Innerrhoden and Glarus, Switzerland isn't really a direct democracy, semi-direct at best. You'll notice they have representatives in a federal structure, despite having mechanisms for some dire…

One advantage of ProtonMail is that they are not easy to tamper with, as the data is encrypted with the password you provide at login which is (hopefully) not being stored.

Is that password sent anywhere or is it just used on client side decryption?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

throwawayswede wrote: post #45
yakz wrote: post #34

I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

TIL Fastmail is an Australian company. I wonder if this bill applies to data hosted outside of Australia for international clients by a company based in Australia? I'd really like to know what they have to say about this.

As far as I know, Fastmail has been backdoored for a few years now by Australian government (and hence I assume the USA, too). It is Fastmail’s biggest disadvantage, in my opinion.

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Post by ceilingcorner »

gorwell wrote: post #123
soco wrote: post #52

In similar news the well-known direct democracy of Switzerland just voted a new rule giving police similar surveillance powers without judicial oversight. So it's obviously the people wishing to be better surveilled and we're the outliers here.

That means the government and media successfully manufactured consent with the population. A majority of the US supported the War on Terror. That was manufactured consent with thanks to the corporate press. It was only the outliers that protested from the beginning, only proven correct after 20 years, thousands of lives and trillions of dollars wasted in Afghanistan. Now that this has ended, be on alert for the next…

Democracy is rule by the media. This has been a criticism of it for hundreds of years.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by aplummer »

eplanit wrote: post #118
aplummer wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 5km thing is real while the lockdown is in effect. Keep in mind it’s different to America, you get paid decent money from the state to stay at home. Whether or not the ~20 000 lives saved from these lockdowns comes down to opinion in the end.

Wow. I guess if you're going to live under such rules, it's easier if you agree with them. I can only assume that you view the surveillance bill as also benevolent.

Please don't strawman me, I didn't say I agree with the surveillance bill (I do not) and I don't live in Australia - my family does though.

It's a different country with a different set of tradeoffs, and is also a more free country than the United States across many important areas, which is why it rates higher in the Cato freedom index than the USA.

It comes down to perspective, to take a separate topic to prove my point - You may think their limitation to only own bolt actions and shotguns makes them less free. I may think they are more free, since they live without the fear of death in a mass shooting.

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