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Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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Re: Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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If it was tribalism, the dead posts would be extreme opinions from both sides. The dead posts here are only from one side.

Which reminds you that HN moderation got outsourced to affiliates of the Democratic Party

Lol. Might be time for me to put together an updated set of these:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870

Re: Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

While I find the article and some of the comments interesting, I don't think it's a good fit for HN. Articles should provoke curious conversation; this one, judging from the number of dead posts, is provoking too much tribalism.

There are plenty of curious comments in this thread. Those take time to show up, because they require reflection, not just reflexivity, and that function is just a lot slower. Repeating something from a hot, bubbling cache—pre-boiling rage!—is super fast. That is why comments show up so quickly to muck up fresh threads with angry reflexes.

Of course, those comments trigger angry reflexes in others, so we're in a flamewar before curious conversation has had a chance to put its boots on. Blaming "HN" for this is a red herring—the overwhelming majority of HN readers and commenters are doing nothing of the sort, and some of them have interesting things to say about barber shops.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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If HN can look past the usual tropes, there's something interesting here. Lewis is trying to solve a problem a lot of other people are trying to solve: how can you have a normal community in US culture? Let me list a few solutions and you will see why his is better than average. 1. Religion. Pros: Going to church has tied communities together for millennia, and if you could just find some better pastors, it could con…

> Cons: You can't go if you don't have the money for a haircut. This is something that people are unaware of (sort of on purpose), but barbershops in black communities become ad-hoc community centers, where black men can just go and be among other black men. Gatherings of black men were (and are) seen as suspicious or "gang-related", but if there's a large gathering of black men at a barbershop, they're all just ther…

Has nobody seen Luke Cage? The entire plot revolves around a Harlem barbershop.

Re: Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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If HN can look past the usual tropes, there's something interesting here. Lewis is trying to solve a problem a lot of other people are trying to solve: how can you have a normal community in US culture? Let me list a few solutions and you will see why his is better than average. 1. Religion. Pros: Going to church has tied communities together for millennia, and if you could just find some better pastors, it could con…

> Lewis is trying to solve a problem a lot of other people are trying to solve: how can you have a normal community in US culture? Indeed, in sociology this building of community is typically called the 'third place' [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place

Do HN folks have a "third place" they go to?

Re: Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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> Cons: You can't go if you don't have the money for a haircut. This is something that people are unaware of (sort of on purpose), but barbershops in black communities become ad-hoc community centers, where black men can just go and be among other black men. Gatherings of black men were (and are) seen as suspicious or "gang-related", but if there's a large gathering of black men at a barbershop, they're all just ther…

Has nobody seen Luke Cage? The entire plot revolves around a Harlem barbershop.

No need to criticize people for not having seen it, but yes, good example. Also features into Coming to America and its sequel.

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no matter how cute the barber story is, you can't ignore the fact this is political propaganda from a primary propaganda source. it's what pg calls "submarine PR", in this case for Dems "systemic racism" agenda, the more people believe this bs the more votes they get.

You posted flamewar comments repeatedly to this thread. That's vandalism, if not arson, and definitely not cool.

We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do this. Also, please don't post political flamebait as submissions (you've been doing that repeatedly recently), and definitely please don't use HN primarily for political battle, because that's definitely something we ban accounts for (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... for past explanations).

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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no matter how cute the barber story is, you can't ignore the fact this is political propaganda from a primary propaganda source. it's what pg calls "submarine PR", in this case for Dems "systemic racism" agenda, the more people believe this bs the more votes they get.

Honestly what? How is what you're saying not a racist dogwhistle? It's political propaganda why? Because they're Black?

"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."

a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls

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Re: Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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If HN can look past the usual tropes, there's something interesting here. Lewis is trying to solve a problem a lot of other people are trying to solve: how can you have a normal community in US culture? Let me list a few solutions and you will see why his is better than average. 1. Religion. Pros: Going to church has tied communities together for millennia, and if you could just find some better pastors, it could con…

There have to be more options than that. A country club? A service org like Rotary / Lion's Club? I'm not sure what's out there, but there must options other than Jihad, Kristallnacht, or barber shop.

Horse racing tracks.

Re: Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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post #36

no matter how cute the barber story is, you can't ignore the fact this is political propaganda from a primary propaganda source. it's what pg calls "submarine PR", in this case for Dems "systemic racism" agenda, the more people believe this bs the more votes they get.

yeah hear me out though, what if it's true and they're trying to get votes by making people's lives better

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Re: Black barbers have become mental health advocates for African American men

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Viewing masculine gatherings and mentoring relationships through the lens of "therapy," is patronizing and another example of filtering culture through the narrative of powerlessness. Here's another take. Most people who say they want you to talk about your feelings are predators looking for angry and vulnerable young people who they can manipulate with sympathy and groom for other pipelines and agendas. The barber s…

I think you are right that many therapists expect their clients to adopt a position of helplessness and submission, and label them as uncooperative if they don't. We constantly hear about the stigma among men against going to therapy, but no acknowledgment that men's approach to emotions is influenced by the fact that men are the main breadwinners in most households. The typical stoic male approach to emotions isn't just arbitrary "male culture", but a product of the fact that if you as a man can't get out of bed in the morning, people go hungry.

A second, related issue is that the culture of therapy since Freud is heavily influenced by romanticism, a 19th century social and aesthetic movement that prioritized sentimentality and emotion as the source of individual authenticity and creativity. Being in touch with your emotions can be valuable for certain kinds of artistic expression, but in many circles those ideals has become so powerful, they're synonymous with mental health. It shouldn't come as a surprise that the values of the artistic class don't find traction among working class.

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