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Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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$15 a month is too much for me to consider switching from Safari. Although I'm looking for a decent browser-replacement, because of the update interlock. I don't mind paying for software, but for $15 I'd expect Browser + full blown google internet search alternative + privacy.

We're still workshopping pricing models. We have a 14-day free trial, so please give it a go and tell us what you think!

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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I wonder what it is about hacker news that brings out this incessant negativity in people. Have you considered that: - This product might only be a couple of months old and they have bigger plans for it over the next year? - The founders don't have all the answers and they're learning just as much as we are right now? - Even though YOU might not see enough value to warrant the price tag, there might be people (or bus…

Maybe they shouldn't charge $15/month for a product that's incomplete. The only reason I'm not the target audience here is because I won't use a subscription-based browser, much less one that has fewer features than my current browser. I respect people who build software, but you have to get pricing right if you want people to care. > I wonder what it is about hacker news that brings out this incessant negativity in…

The problem is that the crew who reflexively post negative comments on Show/Launch HNs are mostly a loud (and smug) but unrepresentative minority with idiosyncratic tastes. Sure, you can learn something from any feedback, but most products would be made worse if the creators took these comments too much to heart, especially when it comes to pricing.

That said, you can obviously get a lot of great feedback on HN too! But no one grumbling about $15/mo being too much to pay for X or subscriptions in general being bad is likely to be very helpful.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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Heh! I don't have Big Sur on my work laptop yet :) So, I'll give it a shot as soon as I can upgrade. The standard chrome dev should be good enough, if that's what it is.

Ah, shame! Hope you update soon :) It's standard Safari dev as SigmaOS is based on WebKit.

Does it have standards parity with Safari or Safari Developer Preview?

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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Hey, just want to say good luck and keep at it. Lots of skeptical comments here, but that's always the case for different ideas. Stay positive :)

Thank you, really appreciate the kind words :) Would love to hear your thoughts on the product if you give it a shot!

Yep, I'll give it a try.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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Agreed. The subscription pricing model alone is an instant disqualifier. $15 for a one-time purchase? I'd absolutely consider it. $15/month? Never.

The comparison of one time vs subscription wouldn't be $15 vs $15 but more like $500 vs $15.

Yeah, and that's why app subscriptions make no sense to me at all. I don't have a problem paying for resources I use—storage space, web-based functionality—but being charged every month just so they don't shut off my software is lunacy, and I will never support that.

I'm fine supporting good software. If this app served my needs well, I'd happily pay $50–60 for it. Once.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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I will. Thank you for doing a great job anyway. I don't actually feel angry or demand anything from you, although I might sound this way. I just expressed my thoughts which many people obviously share. May I, however, ask if there is a serious reason to require Big Sur instead of supporting Catalina, Mojave and High Sierra also? I understand you probably don't want to waste resources on actually supporting them but p…

We're using SwiftUI and WebKit features that were added quite recently (MacOS doesn't get nearly as much love from Apple as iOS). This keeps our product iteration cycle quite high, and the worry is having to implement cumbersome solutions if supporting previous OSs. I'll have to look into it again to see if I can go back just a bit maybe and assess how much time it would take to support those versions. We're a pretty…

I see. Thank you for your time.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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In what world is a browser worth $500? For comparison, a complete operating system (eg. windows) has cost around $200, and this was applicable even in windows 98 days, before microsoft was trying to monetize it using ads/telemetry.

Probably more like $5000. Have you considered how insanely complicated browsers are? It’s a miracle they’re free.

Not a miracle. Just Google.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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Probably more like $5000. Have you considered how insanely complicated browsers are? It’s a miracle they’re free.

Well the reality is that there are two browser engines that are free and open source. If they built their own that was better than the incumbents (eg. from performance/privacy point of view), then I might consider it. But I'm not paying $5000 for a chrome reskin, just like I won't pay $5000 for a debian reskin.

3 - Chromium/Blink, Webkit, and Firefox.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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One thing that I've noticed is when the comments for a Launch HN or Show HN is overwhelmingly negative, that usually the product captures a usecase that people have wanted or hacked together themselves but haven't productionized or monetized. Sometimes, it works out and sometimes it doesn't but it definitely makes me want to judge for myself. Watched the video and the product looks great! I'll definitely give it a sp…

Thanks a lot! Hopefully it works out :D

Let us know what you think :)

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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I’ve been using SigmaOS for the last half hour for my active work, after having gone through the tutorial. I quite like it. I can imagine that I may feel it’s worth the money, but I have to spend more time with it before I could know.

I do want to mention that I ran into a couple of glitches (as I would expect with any such brand-new product). Somehow in using the Find function I got a freeze where I had to Force Quit. Also, I wish that it would indicate that it got matches and how many matches it found when I typed into the search box.

To start things off, I imported from Safari. It looks like it create a “workspace” for every Safari page. But I had so many Safari pages open that the workspace for the tutorial page had scrolled so far down the list that it was off the page. So that confused me for a while when doing the tutorial. (In the end I closed all the workspaces that had come from Safari pages.)

I think the workspace-specific todos is a really nice feature with potential to be quite useful.

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