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Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Wifi and/or bluetooth media addresses, which are unique. I've heard that wifi tracks you to the store, bluetooth to the aisle in the store. A lot of people have all this enabled on their phones, right? Then there's the apps installed on so many phones that are built using facebook sdk's and similar that include a lot of spyware. I have the impression that stores doing this are working with data aggregator to associat…

If they do this to a person from an EU country, won't that person have a potent issue to raise via GDPR?

Good luck proving it happened.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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How does that work? How do they get the ID? And is it location accurate enough that it would not get confused with another phone a few feet away?

Wifi and/or bluetooth media addresses, which are unique. I've heard that wifi tracks you to the store, bluetooth to the aisle in the store. A lot of people have all this enabled on their phones, right? Then there's the apps installed on so many phones that are built using facebook sdk's and similar that include a lot of spyware. I have the impression that stores doing this are working with data aggregator to associat…

> I've heard that wifi tracks you to the store, bluetooth to the aisle in the store.

I interviewed a guy who worked on this very technology. It's used in retail stores to track foot traffic and how people move around the shopping area.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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You made a scene, while intentionally avoiding saying anything that could be construed as a threat (which is generally an attempt at subtle threatening), and you hope that you shook him up. To remove that part: you hope that you shook up a local business owner for not entertaining your questions about the features of his security system?

Why so much respect for someone just because they're a business owner? Sounds more like someone liked surveillance but got shaken up by sousveillance.

I would mention it if they were his neighbor or a cab driver as well.

It's not a matter of respect, but this person simply installed a security system for their safety. They're obviously not extremely technical. They're just trying to go about their day, serve their customers and make a living, and go home.

My point in that wording is that it's some random local person in the community, not the head of the NSA's PRISM program. It's actually crazy to try and shake that person up for installing security cameras in their coffee shop and not getting everyone who walks in to sign a consent form to be recorded.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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The October before covid me and Mrs. Asciimov went on a cruse with Royal Caribbean. We got dropped off at the port, put our luggage in the loading area, and proceeded to walk inside, all without talking to anyone.

Not 30 seconds after walking into the Port Building, a RCL rep walked up and greeted me and the mrs by first name. Said please walk this way, I have you all checked in, you just need to go through the returning voyagers boarding line. (metal detector/contraband check)

To be honest it was both creepy to have them just know who I was, and kinda awesome to get to skip the regular check in step. I asked the lady how she knew who we were, she told us that between the cameras in the port and the photos we submitted during the cruise purchase they knew who we where, and the information pops up on their tablet when they are assigned the next customer.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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This to me is part of a general trend wherein only those with the awareness and resources required will have privacy. For example, if you do have the funds, send a private shopper. But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons. This will further entrench the class divide between the wealthy and the rest of us.

The industrial revolution divided the world into those who had capital (owned factories, tools, land, etc.) and those who produced labor (worked in the factories, used the tools, worked the land, etc.). Those on the side of labor couldn't provide value without access to capital where it could be used. Conversely, those with capital need labor to extract value from it. The factories don't run themselves.

In theory, this would balance out and lead towards some level of equality. In practice, the high barrier of entrance and smaller numbers on the side of capital made it much easier for them to drive down labor prices and exploit. That led to massive inequality—think robber barons and the like—which in turn eventually led to the organized labor movement.

We are now recapitulating this historic arc in the information revolution. Now the world is divided into those who own data and those who produce it. Large corporations own giant fields of data and the computing technology required to derive actionable information from it. Everyone else gives up their personal data and attention to feed those enormous machines. This has led to the growing inequality that is causing a breakdown in institutional trust and is driving people out of cities that are increasingly affordable only to the elites who run the data factories.

At some point, we will hopefully have an "organized data movement" where people work together to be able to make effective demands about how their data can be harvested and used. We aren't there yet.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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I guess the management at those corporations is so bad they do not realize they are driving profits away by spending money to make it feel like a prison. Or management is using tons of experience and data to do what they have to do to stay in business in a 2% profit margin business, inconveniencing customers if they have to in order to prevent losses so they do not have to close the store.

I think it's on a store-by-store basis. My grandfather works at a Wal-Mart in a small town with a large minority population and said they average 10-12K in merchandise stolen each month. The store is open 24 hours, but they still only have 1 security guard working 9-5 because they'd lose more money from lost sales due to minority groups typically having bad experiences with authority figures and avoiding the store.

This is easily noticeable if you have experience visiting stores in poorer parts of a city and the same brand stores in a richer part of the city.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#167

So which retailers are doing this?

From this list [0]: Albertson's, H.E.B., Macy's, and Apple at the moment, and there's a whole list of companies that said they might use it in the future. EDIT: elsewhere in these comments someone stated that Apple does not use facial recognition. [0] https://www.banfacialrecognition.com/stores/#scorecard

I don't believe that Walmart isn't using this data, they have way too many cameras in there stores not to be using it.

Not that it really matters anyway. If you use credit cards, they already know more about you and your buying habits than you could imagine.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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This to me is part of a general trend wherein only those with the awareness and resources required will have privacy. For example, if you do have the funds, send a private shopper. But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons. This will further entrench the class divide between the wealthy and the rest of us.

Why should I care to keep what I buy at the grocery store private?

I'm not trying to be flippant with this question. I'm just honestly perplexed why this is an important dateset to keep private.

Also, why would I want to avoid discounts? Grocery stores are one of the few places that gives me money for handing them my data. Isn't this good behavior!?

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

#170

The October before covid me and Mrs. Asciimov went on a cruse with Royal Caribbean. We got dropped off at the port, put our luggage in the loading area, and proceeded to walk inside, all without talking to anyone. Not 30 seconds after walking into the Port Building, a RCL rep walked up and greeted me and the mrs by first name. Said please walk this way, I have you all checked in, you just need to go through the retur…

Photos you submitted during cruise purchase?
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