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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by handrous »

yesimahuman wrote: post #68
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

I have to treat each Electron program as having ~5-20x the system resource footprint of an equivalent native program—because they do. So they're going to get cut, or I'm going to pick a competitor to begin with, more often than a native app. That goes especially for anything I open often, or for anything it'd be convenient or necessary to leave running most or all of the time. Rarely-used programs, I mostly don't care, and Electron's fine.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by chrisfosterelli »

_rend wrote: post #88
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I can totally understand that. I'm similar with the sync feature: the last thing I'm going to do is give them (or their 3rd party provider) my actual bank credentials. I would feel better if they supported some type of end-to-end encryption. I can also understand how, at least from a business perspective, most users probably don't care enough to not use it.

FWIW, YNAB never receives or touches your bank credentials — sign-in happens through MX and Plaid, which hands back a token to YNAB to use[1]. For banks that support it, the process goes through OAuth and you sign in directly with your bank, so even MX and Plaid never see your credentials. The whole process is end-to-end encrypted, with no credentials stored at rest (unless necessary on the MX/Plaid side, but they ha…

Thanks for clarifying! I understand the architecture but perhaps didn't explain it properly in my comment.

It does honestly strike me as the best approach given the constraints, but here in Canada almost none of my banks are supported with OAuth flow last time I checked so giving the 3rd party providers my credentials and having them log into the bank both violates the TOS of my bank and is also far less secure than I'm comfortable with. Storing my financial details in YNAB / their partners is one thing, storing credentials that can be used to actually move or spend my money is another.

It's honestly not a huge deal for me personally. Entering the transactions manually is a good habit as I can see the balances update and mobile app is easy to use right on the spot.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mooman219 »

KeeWeb + KeePass + Dropbox gave me everything I needed to emulate 1Password, and I definitely recommend that stack if you're greatly opposed to this 1Password change.

That being said, the thing that got me to change was when I tried out 1Password for a month and ran into a few minor accessibility issues on their web frontend. I sent a support ticket and very quickly got a response back, was told those issues would be fixed, and then notified me several days later when they were. Like I'm paying 2.99 a month and still received some amazing support. I use a lot of open source projects, and if I have an issue then I try to upstream a fix because the maintainers are usually volunteers, but I've spread myself thin. 1Password gave me the impression that it's in good shape and has great support which was a burden off my mind.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by runlevel1 »

donohoe wrote: post #134

I love 1Password but the subscription-only path doesn't sit well with me. They're intentionally removing key features so they can justify providing a service that I can do myself. I'm increasingly sick of good standalone software suddenly moving to this model. They are a business, I get it. However how many subscriptions are we going to have to end up with? I get it with Slack, Dropbox, Github, etc as they all starte…

The gaslighting also makes me very uncomfortable:

> The overwhelming majority of people (97% in fact) choose to subscribe to our new service and many of those who initially purchased a license later changed their mind and traded it in for a membership.

With each of the last two versions, they hid the standalone version more. I'd hardly characterize all 97% of those users as voluntary.

Their PR doublespeak isn't helping either: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28143821

I don't think I can trust this new AgileBits.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mvid »

Oh well. I've been a 1password user for maybe a decade. I don't mind paying for a subscription, but they have become increasingly user hostile over time. Pushing the in-browser versions of the product, hiding the steps to enable local vaults, and now removing local vaults entirely.

Custody of your secrets is something thing a password manager should move away from, not toward.

I moved my data to Bitwarden this morning.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

I've stuck with 1Password for a long time, because it will work on the occasional Windows machine I need to use. However, it doesn't integrate as well as Apple's native key manager. I've been on the fence about just giving it all to Apple, but it's, like, the one thing out of literally DOZENS of services that I use that Apple does NOT control, and it's kind of important. So I'm really conflicted about the whole thing.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by 0x49d1 »

Shihan wrote: post #143

Switched to KeePass when they introduced the subscription model. I believe the only app that I tolerate as subscription is Lightroom CC. I want to minimise subscriptions because otherwise it is 5$ here, 10$ there and at the end it can be a surprising amount I have to pay each year. But yes, for some apps it may be worth it, but for 1Password I found suitable alternatives.

What subscription model? KeePass has no subscriptions, just local exec app.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by ValentineC »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I'm perfectly happy with paying a subscription, and think $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable.

What I'm not happy with is the possibility of password access being limited or sync breaking if 1Password servers go down. At least with Dropbox (iCloud, wifi) sync, I have full control over the local vault file.

Ultimately, it might be mostly about ownership and choice for me.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #133
evgen wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. This has nothing to do with improving features or service and is completely about increasing revenue and improving the sort of numbers investors like to see -- driven entirely by the fact that AgileBits has recently closed a B round and needs to show more revenue to just…

VS Code would like a word with you.

Yeah, and there are dozens of us -- DOZENS! -- who continue to happily use SublimeText because VS Code feels so sluggish in comparison.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by handrous »

bibinou wrote: post #56
sammorrowdrums wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well they’ve released a Linux app built in Rust, so maybe there’s hope?

It's electron-based too, Rust is used in a backend lib with FFI: https://dteare.medium.com/behind-the-scenes-of-1password-for...

Last I messed with it, Electron is structured such that the UI thread is decoupled from where you're supposed to run your "logic" (for performances reasons, I assume—similar patterns are really common in GUI systems, in general) and they already have to communicate at arm's length, so 1) it's not that big a stretch to wrap some native library on the "logic" side, and 2) if you're calling back-and-forth between logic and UI a lot, rather than sitting in your logic code for long periods of time, it'd expect it to do very little for performance.
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