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Re: Firefox 91

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If UI changes needed everyone's approval, we would still be looking like a 1990's browser.

Changing menu item names and locations is just stupid. A month later and I am still looking for "Undo Close Tab." Was it really that important to change the name to "Reopen Closed Tab?"

The UI/UX team's salaries need to be justified.

Re: Firefox 91

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post #141

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Agreed, i’m also a happy FF user… The satisfied users don’t post comments as much i assume. Haters gonna hate, that’s just how it is.

>Haters gonna hate, that’s just how it is. I think that is the wrong end of the stick. People complain about Firefox not because they hate it. They complain because they care . It is the same thing with Apple or in fact any other brands. They want it to be better, they want to come back or keep using Firefox. And they want more people to use it ( for one reason or another ). So the saying good there is no such thing…

More to the point, the stakes are really high for FF now.

I use and love FF, but FF's market share is very low and shrinking. If they can't do anything to turn that trend around, web developers will ignore it, and it will become useless for many sites.

FF users have to wish/hope that FF rights this ship, and that means they can't afford to lose any more users (and really, that they must somehow reverse course and acquire new users). So every update feels really important - the shrinking user base is an existential threat to the browser.

Re: Firefox 91

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post #37

It's a shame Firefox is dying. I see more and more websites that simply refuse to work on Firefox and with the decreasing market share and breaking changes they seem to be introducing every update now it's harder than ever to justify not switching over to a chromium based browser.

What sites are refusing to work with Firefox? I've seen it with some apple.com stuff.

With so many sites, when I contact them about some issue, they say "firefox is not supported - use chrome or safari."

I've had problems recently with banking/finance sites and Wix.

Re: Firefox 91

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Meanwhile debian unstable is still on version 88, there hasn't even been an update to patch the various security vulns.

For unstable, you should currently take Firefox from experimental. I assume, like for previous releases, it will be here by tomorrow. Due to the freeze for Bullseye release, the dependencies to put it in unstable are not present.

Re: Firefox 91

#165

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If UI changes needed everyone's approval, we would still be looking like a 1990's browser.

Changing menu item names and locations is just stupid. A month later and I am still looking for "Undo Close Tab." Was it really that important to change the name to "Reopen Closed Tab?"

Just learn the shortcuts. It's ctrl+shift+t. I've been using it for 16+ years and have no idea how it's called now, or how it was called before.

ctrl+shift+n to reopen the last window.

Re: Firefox 91

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I have to admit the only real reason I'm on FF is tree style tabs. All the tabs on the left of the screen, with little markers to expand or minimize the tree. No tabs along the top (needs a tiny bit of css), plus I can customize the look. I tried to get Chrome to do this but nothing was satisfying. Now it's not like FF is inferior in all other ways, it is actually a pretty good experience. But TST is the big one for…

I just discovered https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab after getting so damn frustrated that Mozilla/FF removed the ability to move tabs under the address bar. Like... why the hell was the ability to move that bar removed?!?

Re: Firefox 91

#167

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If UI changes needed everyone's approval, we would still be looking like a 1990's browser.

Would that be so bad? Netscape Navigator 4.6 circa 1999: https://ia902901.us.archive.org/21/items/netscapecommunicato... Twenty three years of churn has brought what UX benefits exactly? Hiding the protocol, hiding details about secure connections, hiding the status bar, hiding the text on tiny buttons, hiding the menus: https://mk0ghacksnety2pjrgh8.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/upload... and for what? Optimising for peop…

Judging by my coworkers and relatives, I don't think many users care that much about the screen real estate. Those of us who do customize the hell out of the browser chrome anyway.

Firefox 2 looked fine in my opinion, I would be happy if they just kept it as it was back then.

Re: Firefox 91

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Equally a lot of users are happy with it. Should those users have been disregarded instead?

It's a good way to further push away a chunk of your userbase. They're moving towards a touch-friendly UI, but a lot of us just want a compact desktop app that doesn't waste screen space with excessive padding. The proper solution to this would be to have different modes if this is so critical. To their credit they did put in a "compact" mode after beta, but this is explicitly "unsupported" and even then still has mo…

Push where? At least you still can configure chrome padding and element sizes with CSS tweaks, unlike the main competitor and its wooden interface with absolutely zero customization possibilities.

There's Vivaldi, and it too uses HTML for its interface, but the team doesn't seem to care about UI performance at all.

Re: Firefox 91

#169
post #28

So much negativity. Just here to report that I am a happy Firefox user, no complaints here. Thank you Mozilla for making a browser that respects me.

On the contrary - HN articles about Firefox are always overrun by positively breathless supporters of Firefox and nothing is different here today.

The real negativity can be seen in the market that largely rejected this garbage browser.

Re: Firefox 91

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post #120

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What I don't like about Firefox is the fact that it will load all the tabs and windows you had opened before shuting down the computer and there is not a clean way to make it stop. When I finish my day, I like to shutdown the computer and go to sleep or whatever and every day when I open Firefox, all the windows will reopen and I need to close it and re-start... I just want to be able to disable this behaviour from t…

by default, on a fresh I install, Firefox dont saves the tabs. You would enabled it.

While session restore of your tabs is off by default in Forex, I believe shutting down your computer while Firefoxis running is a special case. Since the user didn’t explicitly quit Firefox, it is trying to resume where you left off.
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