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PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by rvz »

fsflover wrote: post #126
ghgr wrote: post #114

Do these alternative Smartphones are able to seamlessly run native Android/iOS apps in containers? It'd be great if they could "embrace" such walled gardens, and possibly "extend" some of their functionality :-)

There is Anbox for that.

Great, but it seems to be quite 'experimental' (and buggy) rather than production ready for people wishing to switch from Android to the Pinephone.

Just saying it is 'There' doesn't really tell us how well it actually runs on it. To quote the grandparent comment mentioning the word 'seamlessly' as the requirement.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by danhor »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #125
danhor wrote: post #64

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In my case, I've had a few issues with screen sharing online meetings: - Webex doesn't provide screen sharing in larger meetings via WebRTC. It really sucks, since it works in smaller ones and people really get suprised by this. - The last time I used Webex via their "desktop" app, they didn't properly support pipewire. - Same with zoom, except that they don't seem to provide browser meetings at all sometimes & their…

> Webex doesn't provide screen sharing in larger meetings via WebRTC Can you not capture your screen manually and make it available to your browser as a generic web cam? (Not that you should have to, but still.) > [Zoom] don't seem to provide browser meetings at all sometimes Last time I used it they were engaging in website trickery. You had to click the link to download (and maybe do something else) before it would…

> Can you not capture your screen manually and make it available to your browser as a generic web cam?

I could but I didn't anticipate that issue with larger meetings and it caught me by surprise

My understanding is that the web cam also uses different compression, leading to issues with readability

> Last time I used it they were engaging in website trickery. You had to click the link to download (and maybe do something else) before it would present you with the "join from browser" link.

Tried that since I've already heard about these dark patterns, but wasn't able to. It's easier and more intuitive to add a local account on windows.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by Aeolun »

dataflow wrote: post #21
throwawayswede wrote: post #16

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> I'm coming to the realisation that open source projects will always provide a lower quality than commercial ones That's demonstrably wrong. Examples are so abundant and obvious that I'm not sure I need to mention any, but for the sake of argument. In software: Linux, Gimp, Firefox, VLC, Blender, OpenOffice, ... In hardware: Arduino, Raspberry Pi, Beagleboard, UltiMaker, Adafruit products, Sparkfun Electronics produ…

> Examples are so abundant and obvious that I'm not sure I need to mention any, but for the sake of argument. In software: Linux, Gimp, Firefox, VLC, Blender, OpenOffice If you picked an average computer user at random (read: not people on HN) and had them try out Linux, Gimp, and OpenOffice, I don't think they'd agree with you that they're as high-quality as their commercial alternatives.

> I don't think they'd agree with you

I think that’s mostly due to them being different from the thing they are used to, not because they’re inferior.

I’d be more interested in what people going in the other direction (e.g. from LibreOffice to MS Office) would say.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by fsflover »

rvz wrote: post #161
fsflover wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is Anbox for that.

Great, but it seems to be quite 'experimental' (and buggy) rather than production ready for people wishing to switch from Android to the Pinephone. Just saying it is 'There' doesn't really tell us how well it actually runs on it. To quote the grandparent comment mentioning the word 'seamlessly' as the requirement.

https://puri.sm/posts/anbox-on-the-librem-5/

(It's not the Pinephone, but another GNU/Linux phone. Should be similar apart from the performance)

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by bencollier49 »

Avamander wrote: post #151
bencollier49 wrote: post #14

I wouldn't buy this, simply based on experience of their other products. I bought one of their laptops. It was terribly slow to the point of unusability for the three days it was working before a child knocked the power plug and ripped the socket assembly off the mainboard, rendering the machine unsalvageable. The whole thing felt poorly built. Contrast the ZX Spectrum Next, built by enthusiasts as a Kickstarter, whi…

> ZX Spectrum Next And that's not slow?

It's snappier than the Pinebook, even if the clock speed is from the 1980s. But the comparison was more about the build quality.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by nousermane »

tluyben2 wrote: post #138
emteycz wrote: post #88

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Don't forget about the price: $200 doesn't get you flagship experience.

Lately I have been trying out $200 range phones (with Android): the galaxy A31 for instance: it is the experience of a flagship phone from a few years ago. If the pinephone was that, I think everyone would be happy and yes, this is possible for $200. At least if you are Samsung? So yeah, not flagship but close enough for a lot of people (side by side, the a32 vs s21, for me is not worth the 4x+ pricetag, as in the di…

For me, the killer feature is that pinephone runs mainline kernel.

According to https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices - that's a rather uncommon thing to have, and pretty much unobtainable for a recent device (other than pine64/librem5).

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by simonh »

scoopertrooper wrote: post #116
theodric wrote: post #83

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You have a strange definition of "great." If any other phone exhibited those characteristics, I would write it off as garbage, not excuse its faults with a promise that they'll be fixed Real Soon Now™

You "I want a reliable phone that meets my daily needs" types like to think you have a monopoly on the term "great". Some of us like to take the scenic route to reading our messages.

To hopefully reading most of our messages.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by fragileone »

rob74 wrote: post #53
Buxato wrote: post #48

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"open source projects will always provide a lower quality than comerical ones" not true, Kicad, Blender, Krita, Ardour ... But in this case hardware is on the mix, and it will take years to deliver an ecosystem competitive, also would be nicer to have middle class hardware and no ultra low cost. We will see if openhardware movement reach a decent quality. But I am agree with you that it will be almost impossible to r…

In the case of "Linux on a phone" I think it makes more sense to take advantage of all the work Google has put into Android and just throw out the tracking and Google apps, like various projects are doing.

If that's your ideal then just LineageOS. For those that want a Linux distro first and only want the Android apps part of Android, wait for Anbox support on these mobile Linux distros.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by throwawayswede »

dataflow wrote: post #29
throwawayswede wrote: post #26

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I assume you're defining high-quality as easy-to use? If so, then that definition is lacking at best.

No, I'm not defining it. "High-quality" is in the question you would ask the user. They respond to you based on their own best judgment of what it means to them.

I don't know what to tell you other than you probably haven't used any recent version of these software. I know many people who are not tech-savvy and use OpenOffice, Gimp or Blender daily. They're both reliable and function (in some aspects) on par with the commercially available stuff.

Re: PinePhone – Open Source Smart Phone Supported by Major Linux Phone Projects

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Post by tluyben2 »

nousermane wrote: post #166
tluyben2 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lately I have been trying out $200 range phones (with Android): the galaxy A31 for instance: it is the experience of a flagship phone from a few years ago. If the pinephone was that, I think everyone would be happy and yes, this is possible for $200. At least if you are Samsung? So yeah, not flagship but close enough for a lot of people (side by side, the a32 vs s21, for me is not worth the 4x+ pricetag, as in the di…

For me, the killer feature is that pinephone runs mainline kernel. According to https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices - that's a rather uncommon thing to have, and pretty much unobtainable for a recent device (other than pine64/librem5).

Yes, agree. That is why it is OK that it is not the best at this point: there is not much competition.
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