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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by pschastain »

ericmay wrote: post #129
Renaud wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are stuck in their ecosystem. The monetary coat of changing platform is quite high if you’re already invested in that ecosystem. Everyone is paying a lot of money for a system they basically own nothing about. You keep paying, for apps, for hardware, that’s forever tied up to the whims of that platform’s owner (not you). Not in favour of more laws, but forcing the hands of these platforms so they provide more…

> People are stuck in their ecosystem. The monetary coat of changing platform is quite high if you’re already invested in that ecosystem. What are the costs? I can buy an iPhone or an Android phone and switch pretty easily can’t I? > Not in favour of more laws, but forcing the hands of these platforms so they provide more control to their customers is not a bad thing. Maybe more control isn’t a good thing? But even s…

> What are the costs? I can buy an iPhone or an Android phone and switch pretty easily can’t I?

Software would need to be repurchased if it's even available on the other platform. Maybe you could but I know I couldn't easily or cheaply switch.

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Post by Ndymium »

johnsea wrote: post #131
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

SailfishOS/Jolla is a great option. The problem is, that some important (e.g. banking) apps are missing and cannot be installed/run with the Android emulator. Another problem is, that Sailfish is available only in very few countries, e.g. not in the US.

With Sailfish you also have to give up all the security advancements in Android/iOS, in both good and bad. You can do what you want more freely, but also each app has equal access to all your data. Unless they've implemented some access control in the later versions, but I haven't heard about it.

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Post by toxik »

xerox13ster wrote: post #147
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

We had a third option but developers very publicly refused to support it and Google worked tirelessly to hamstring it in every way they could. Now we're all crying for a third platform because Apple is too restrictive and Google, surprise (to no one least of all WP users), turned out to be evil and I feel absolutely no sympathy for the tech community, particularly developers who decry the current paradigm. We chose t…

It’s funny that we software developers have been so coddled into thinking that we don’t need unions because we get paid enough for our work. Yet we all know and see these oversteps by companies, taking away our very ability to work our trade as we see fit, piece by piece, inch by inch.

I support the EFF, but that’s basically all I know how to do. Imagine if Google’s software developers went on strike every time they tried to pull another AMP on the open web?

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by user-the-name »

LucidLynx wrote: post #113

How funny it is to remove this app because it "loads executable" as they released Swift Playground years ago... Plus the new feature of creating and packaging your iOS / iPadOS app + uploading it, directly on the iPad. Apple seems to contradict its own rules since a few years now.

The rules include a limited exception for educational purposes, which Swift Playgrounds also falls under.

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Post by upofadown »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #153
realusername wrote: post #133

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When now you have banks & governement apps, I'd say that falls down under the definition of required / public infrastructure.

Plus access to public places via QR codes verifying you have been vaccinated / recently tested negative.

But you are the one providing the QR code in that case so you can normally just print it out or get a card sent to you.

You don't need a phone just to display an image...

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Post by newscracker »

vmception wrote: post #140
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

Eh Apple users you can still download this app and it will stay on their phones after it is removed from the app store This post seems to mischaracterize what is going on and seems to be pre-prepared sentiment that has nothing to do with what actually is happening or going to happen Apple users can still file share dos games, if they download that app now. Not clear what level of device control you are reacting to, w…

It will stay on the phone, but won’t be available for downloading again since it’s being removed by Apple. Once the phone dies and the user buys a new phone, there won’t be a way to get this app unless the user copied the app package through a third party application on a Mac (Apple removed the ability to sync/backup app packages to a Mac since iTunes 12.7).

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by Ballas »

verytrivial wrote: post #158
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

Re: Android, I tried to log out of YouTube on my phone yesterday. It said "Sure, as long as you don't mind logging out of GMail too." I was taken aback by this -- I didn't realise this was a hostage situation.

If you cannot uninstall the youtube app, you should be able to freeze it (with adb).

(then take a look at youtube vanced)

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Post by southerntofu »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #102
southerntofu wrote: post #85

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Apple, like most corporations, is happy to entertain passive consumers. After all, empowering people to learn new things about computers could lead to healthy competition, and that's definitely not something we want, or is it?!

Well, Apple needs a pool of talented developers to build apps on their platform. And to hire from.

I don't think that's the case so much. Apart from key elements, most workers in tech companies have no clue what they're doing. They're just a tiny cog in the machine, and they feel that way.

Likewise, most people who graduate from Computer Science curriculum have no idea what they're doing. They're very knowledgeable about specific problems (eg. some graph algorithms, analog electronics, programming language theory) but fail to conceive computing as an ensemble of ethical and usability concerns.

You know how it took thousands of people to build the first atomic bomb, and most of them had no clue what kind of evil force they were working on? Computing industry is like that most times, except of course in the free software ecosystem, where it does happen but community cooperation enable more skill sharing and more perspective about software from a political perspective.

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Post by vmception »

curt15 wrote: post #160
vmception wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh Apple users you can still download this app and it will stay on their phones after it is removed from the app store This post seems to mischaracterize what is going on and seems to be pre-prepared sentiment that has nothing to do with what actually is happening or going to happen Apple users can still file share dos games, if they download that app now. Not clear what level of device control you are reacting to, w…

Don't iOS apps check in with Apple periodically for permission to run?

A future OS update can break app compatibility if the app is not updated, apps not on the store won't be updated

Restoring a device from cloud backup will download all your apps, except apps no longer on the store

The device right now, with the OS right now, with the app right now will still be able to use this app and its file sharing feature in perpetuity which is an aspect that isn't different or worse than other kinds of devices or computers. Only the system restore embellishments being different or better or worse. People on other systems that pay for apps can still run into scenarios where their updated operating system is not compatible with an app they paid for. I'm not trying to be an apologist for things Apple or the mobile landscape could do better, only pointing out the standard people seem to be asking for without realizing it.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by tlholaday »

flohofwoe wrote: post #135
tgv wrote: post #127

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I'm totally opposed. My parents (who are rather old) use an iPhone and iPad, and I'm happy they have no option to fuck things up more than they already do. If you're talking about "freedom": nobody forces you to buy Apple.

"Side loading" (what a terrible word for what should be the normal way of installing software) could be disabled by default, and behind an extra scary warning screen in the settings which explicitely warns the user about the consequences. At some age (maybe starting at 16 or so?), people should be allowed to make their own decisions without "helicopter companies" hovering above them all the time telling them what to…

> … people should be allowed to make their own decisions …

Should they be allowed to decide to buy a device whose manufacturer maintains a sole-source app retailer?

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