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Re: Amazon Shuts Down NSO Group Infrastructure

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Ouch. > The Amnesty report said NSO is also using services from other companies such as Digital Ocean, OVH, and Linode ... We've been using Digital Ocean for a few years now (sqlitebrowser.org), and they've been really good. Hopefully they look into this and take some useful action. :)

> sqlitebrowser.org

Everyone at my company loves your tool. Please keep up the great work!

Re: Amazon Shuts Down NSO Group Infrastructure

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You gotta draw the line somewhere - this is way over that line.

Isn't the line due process of law, though? If NSO is allegedly committing a crime, then we can punish them in courts of law that are empowered and qualified to investigate the allegations fully and decide whether to deprive them of their rights. Why would we put these decisions in the hands of Big Tech? At least, that's what I heard during the debates about deplatforming Parler. It was apparently very bad for private…

AWS ain't a law agency. They just decided to boot this organization out of their infra. Fair enough. AWS simply decided they don't want to benefit financially from this organization's operations.

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> Bezos Bezos' phone probably wasn't hacked. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-05-05/how-jeff-...

https://www.wired.com/story/bezos-phone-hack-mbs-saudi-arabi...

Why would you post an article from Jan 2020 as a rebuttal to an article from May 2021?

Re: Amazon Shuts Down NSO Group Infrastructure

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https://www.wired.com/story/bezos-phone-hack-mbs-saudi-arabi...

Why would you post an article from Jan 2020 as a rebuttal to an article from May 2021?

Can anyone read your URL since it's behind a paywall?

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Take security a lot more serious than they currently do. They've had some seriously embarrassing security holes in their software the last few years. Also, they could increase the payout for their bug bounty. Why report to apple for a 0-day when you can make $1 million from these guys? It's not like Apple doesn't have the cash.

> Take security a lot more serious than they currently do. That statement doesn't mean much. How do you know they're not taking it seriously enough and still struggling with the enormity of the problem regardless? You could always claim any entity isn't taking security serious enough. The alternative explanation makes a lot more sense: security is extremely difficult at Apple's scale, serving a billion consumers with…

They could attempt to slow down the ad-ridden stupidity train they have everyone riding on, believing there is no such thing as iphone security tools besides the steaming iOs UpDaTeS

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> " In this case, Amazon is exercising their own Free Speech rights. " Corporations aren't humans; they don't have free speech rights.

> Corporations aren't humans; they don't have free speech rights. As a matter of law in the United States you are objectively wrong. This has been settled in a series of SCOTUS decisions starting with Buckley v. Valeo (1976). Corporations are legal persons, and further the individual humans that make them up do not somehow lose the free speech rights just because they decide to take collective action. And in turn: as…

> "As a matter of law in the United States you are objectively wrong."

You are quite correct, of course. I meant to write "shouldn't" instead of "don't".

> "So what, you think individuals should be able to investigate something all by themselves, but the government should be free to put the boot down on newspapers because they're corporations?"

I'll point out that there's an entirely separate and intentional carve-out for freedom of the press that is distinct from freedom of speech, so that's not a good justification for corporations to get freedom of speech as a right directly.

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I contacted Amazon to report an advertiser out of Tel Aviv that was using JavaScript hosted on CloudFront to fingerprint user's devices and if an Android device was detected a fake media player or fake CAPTCHA would trick user's into accepting push notifications for fake virus warnings to install questionable apps from the Play Store. This script also pushed ads for a fake AdBlock app that was a dropper for banking t…

That NSO Group infrastructure was burned, the one you reported (still) isn't.

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Sure, and it "seems like" the extremist propaganda that Big Tech shut down was violating all sorts of other laws like incitement. Is "seems like" enough of a reason now for private companies to choose not to contract with other private companies? Or should we go to a judge and jury in both cases?

> Sure, and it "seems like" the extremist propaganda that Big Tech shut down was violating all sorts of other laws like incitement. Most of it actually wasn't FWIW, hateful extremist content is generally perfectly legal free speech. "Incitement" gets used way, way too often on the internet, almost nothing that gets posted online is legal incitement. But neither "Big Tech" (such a dumb term) nor Hacker News nor a rand…

> "Private society looking at extremist content and saying "we're not going to shoot you over it but we do strongly object and we're going to socially ostracize you and deny you business and our support in any way we can" is free speech working as intended."

Given that such logic was once used to attempt to deny service to and harass PoCs, religious, LGBTQ and other formerly "undesirable" classes, society clearly doesn't buy that logic and made them into protected classes and required businesses to serve them on an equal footing. It's not a valid argument unless you're arguing to roll back protected classes too, which I hope you're not.

(Note that I'm not defending NSO or Amazon here. I concur with others that NSO isn't engaging in speech, so while there may be a contract law issue between them and Amazon, there is no freedom of speech issue here.)

Re: Amazon Shuts Down NSO Group Infrastructure

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Ouch. > The Amnesty report said NSO is also using services from other companies such as Digital Ocean, OVH, and Linode ... We've been using Digital Ocean for a few years now (sqlitebrowser.org), and they've been really good. Hopefully they look into this and take some useful action. :)

Purged my account at DO now. Sad that companies like DO care more about money than a free society

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It's "DigitalOcean" - sorry to be pedantic, it drives me absolutely nuts when people put a space between, especially publications.

There is another point if view, and that is that corporate marketing should not take precedence over correct use of language. Some languages tend to be more strict about this. I think it's particularly common to see English play fast and loose with the language compared to other languages. In Sweden, for example you will see media write Iphone, because it's a name, and names are capitalised. The same goes for Digital…

> There is another point if view, and that is that corporate marketing should not take precedence over correct use of language.

There is no such thing as correct use of language. That being said, you should spell proper names as they are registered. It's iPhone, not Iphone.

> It can definitely be argued fairly that the writer does not have to break language conventions just because a company says they have to.

Language convention is to spell the name as the company as it is registered. You wouldn't change someone's last name because it didn't follow some other, slightly related convention...

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38827/how-to-wri...

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