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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by maybelsyrup »

azifali wrote: post #21

As a progressive Muslim - I believe both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist, and thrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the state of Israel has now become a needless oppressor and are content building an apartheid state without learning from the past.

> As long as [...], any talk about a two state solution is a joke

It sucks to have to say, but no one in any position of power on any side of this conflict believes a two-state solution is possible anymore. That ship sailed a decade ago or so, depending on who you ask, and all of the players have moved on; it's only parts of the public who still believe it's possible. It may still be desirable, of course - I certainly desire it - but the "facts of the ground", as the Israelis love to phrase it, don't allow for it, and won't. (Said "facts" have been engineered for precisely that purpose: to make a Palestinian state impossible to achieve in any reasonable and practical sense.)

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by refurb »

crooked-v wrote: post #76
xupybd wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is hard to say Israel has less right to the land it took over than say New Zealand. The main difference is how long ago the settling happened.

New Zealand is a bad example to use, given that it's one of the few cases where settlement was based on a non-coerced treaty intended to actively integrate the native people as equal citizens with the settlers. While the NZ government later spent about a hundred years ignoring the treaty and treating the Maori badly, the treaty itself, the process that led to it, and the actions of the settler leaders at the time of…

Israel has a lack of legitimacy?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Pla...

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by LarryEt »

DoctorNick wrote: post #28
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

Americans are more prone to this kind of thing because they're already used to overriding settler-colonial propaganda influencing their mindset; Zionist propaganda is just another flavor.

Do you not realize how dumb this makes you sound?

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by werber »

bkirkby wrote: post #91
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

Can you share with us the most egregious example of a war crime committed by Israel that caused you to change your view? Please be specific about the laws, actions, and outcomes that resulted in the crime.

Most recently, bombing the offices of multiple news outlets during a conflict comes to mind. But what made me change my mind was actively seeking out Palestinians to talk to one on one after a close friend told me I was racist. This isn’t particularly profound or anything, but a now very close friend of mine talked to me about how she could barely see her family in Palestine and that I could get a free trip and citizenship with no connection to the land because I was Jewish. That seemed so completely bonkers to me and still does.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by tartoran »

YZF wrote: post #110
tartoran wrote: post #70

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Yes, I am aware of that and do care for justice but am afraid to talk abour it IRL to be honest. To be publically acused of antisemitism for being critical to Israel could be a real nightmare Im not ready to go through. I am no antisemitist, on the contrary, some of my favorite people are jewish. Am I a coward? I think so but I have a family and want to hold onto my job. Here on HN I am not afraid to comment because…

You should know that saying some of my favorite people are jewish is something that sounds pretty bad. The idea that you would be branded as an anti-semite and lose your job because you are critical of Israel also sounds bad. A lot of people are critical of Israel's policies, including many Israelis. There is absolutely no problem with that.

Why is it bad if I admire jews? I think this is going too far, I am not ill intended towards anyone but you just gave me an example why as a non jew I should stay quiet if I don’t want to be labeled as anything or god knows what else

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

deadite2 wrote: post #144
dang wrote: post #119

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You can't do this here. I've banned this account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You banned my account for highlighting the fact that social media is majority controlled by Jewish (and therefore more than likely Israeli) interests. I'm not sure exactly what I said that warranted being banned and shown the guidelines. If you think I was trolling - no, I was pointing out the bloody obvious that the rest of the posters here don't want to bring to light.

A thread like this is bad enough without people descending to classic anti-Semitic tropes. Obviously we're going to ban accounts that go that way.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

LarryEt wrote: post #163
DoctorNick wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans are more prone to this kind of thing because they're already used to overriding settler-colonial propaganda influencing their mindset; Zionist propaganda is just another flavor.

Do you not realize how dumb this makes you sound?

Hacker News is for a different sort of discussion than this, as the site guidelines make clear: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You can't break them like this, regardless of how dumb something sounds or you feel it sounds. We ban accounts that do that, and since you've already done this at least once elsewhere (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27642465) I've banned this account.

If you don't want to be banned on HN, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by edgyquant »

azifali wrote: post #21

As a progressive Muslim - I believe both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist, and thrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the state of Israel has now become a needless oppressor and are content building an apartheid state without learning from the past.

Can we stop throwing around the word apartheid? Just because something is bad, or racist, doesn’t make it apartheid. That is descriptive of an extremely specific economic state that existed in the “dual” economies of South Africa after decolonization. What Israel is doing is not similar to Apartheid.
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