An interesting poll might be how much you feel that you under (or over!) paid. Voting for percentage difference would remove concerns about absolute salaries reflecting cost of location.
Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
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Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#162If you look at how salaries are distributed across the US public, the 60k - 100k category is way too large while 151k-200k should probably be just one range and not two. As someone who hires programmers, I am much more interested in how many people make between 60-70, 70-85, and 85-100.
The buckets might have a Valley bias. It seems the only programmers at SV companies that make less than 100k these days are interns.
I would agree. The company I work for gives a 25% boost in pay just for relocating to the SV branch from other branches. This is merely a cost of living bump for the exact same job title.
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#163Really depends on the location, even within the United States, much more so abroad.
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#164Hey, if you guys want to compare salaries, how about doing it via salaryshare.me?
Here is the pool I created for HN: http://salaryshare.me/1bc4550900b5d2c5f667783e3cc05818
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#165Not nearly enough, but that is what I get for joining a young startup.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am in Germany, and 70k EUR seems average for someone with experience and/or specialist skills. (Of course less experienced or "motivated" developers will be on a bit less than that). 70k would be low for anyone in a leadership role. Of course half of that gets taxed away, so I wouldn't really compare it to 100k USD.
Can you, without giving away too much information, tell me what kind of market you're talking about (i.e. are you thinking of embedded, financial, whatever)? I'm from Germany as well with (depending on skill) 5-10 years experience and your numbers just don't match mine. Maybe you just confirmed once more that I fail to negotiate, but.. by a large margin.
I am drawing this from the semiconductor, telecommunications, automotive, healthcare technology, and travel domains. It doesn't really seem that relevant though as software developers are not tied to domains like say hardware engineers, or I guess non-programming domain specialists. Although now that I think about it, software developers do tend to pigeon-hole themselves a bit. I have heard of people calling themselves ".NET developers in the real estate branch", which I suppose is a psychological blocker to jumping to a better-paying job.
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#167Quite interesting. In Germany or Europe very very few programmers would make more than 100k USD (around 70k EUR) unless he is in some position where he leads a team or oversees bigger projects. Then i see how cheap cars and computer hardware etc is in the US and i really start to wonder where this massive difference comes from. US engineers seem to earn way more and generally pay much less for many things. Apple hard…
We work many more hours and we have to pay more for benefits like health care. Most other medical costs are higher here too; drugs are a lot more expensive in the US than the rest of the world, because the drug companies fold the research and testing costs into our prices, and only include manufacturing and distribution costs in the rest of the world's pricing. Cars might be cheaper here, and gas certainly is, but we…
Cars might be cheaper here, and gas certainly is, but we use a lot more of both than Europeans because we tend to be spread out a lot more. That's another factor raising our cost of living, which drives up the salaries we demand.
I swear I'm not picking on you but I see this line all the time when US-EU gas price comparisons are made and I just can't buy it from a logical POV. So I thought I'd get all anal and play with the stats :-)
The average US driver does about 13,500 miles per year: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm
The number I keep finding again and again for UK driver is 9,628 miles a year (which sounds very low to me but I'll roll with it). That's almost a spot on 40% extra for the US driver (for a country with 42x the surface area, to be fair). OK, cool.
Given a US gallon of gas in the UK is about $8.25 compared to the current Californian average of $3.77 and the US driver is only driving 40% more miles on average, the US driver is still spending way less money on gas and would need to drive significantly further distances to make up the difference.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
C++ is an 'Other' language? I am feeling really, really unhip.
It is not. Taking the liberty of grouping C with C++, you get the most popular language in existence. http://langpop.com http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index....
You could group Perl with C and get the most popular language in existence. C is just that popular.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
We work many more hours and we have to pay more for benefits like health care. Most other medical costs are higher here too; drugs are a lot more expensive in the US than the rest of the world, because the drug companies fold the research and testing costs into our prices, and only include manufacturing and distribution costs in the rest of the world's pricing. Cars might be cheaper here, and gas certainly is, but we…
Cars might be cheaper here, and gas certainly is, but we use a lot more of both than Europeans because we tend to be spread out a lot more. That's another factor raising our cost of living, which drives up the salaries we demand. I swear I'm not picking on you but I see this line all the time when US-EU gas price comparisons are made and I just can't buy it from a logical POV. So I thought I'd get all anal and play w…
Our cars are probably less efficient on average too, with all the SUVs. You've got miles/year and $/gallon, but not miles/gallon. You need all three to compare. I'd be interested in what you come up with.
For what it's worth, my commute is one mile and I drive a Mini, so I can't use the commute cost to justify my own salary...
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
We work many more hours and we have to pay more for benefits like health care. Most other medical costs are higher here too; drugs are a lot more expensive in the US than the rest of the world, because the drug companies fold the research and testing costs into our prices, and only include manufacturing and distribution costs in the rest of the world's pricing. Cars might be cheaper here, and gas certainly is, but we…
Cars might be cheaper here, and gas certainly is, but we use a lot more of both than Europeans because we tend to be spread out a lot more. That's another factor raising our cost of living, which drives up the salaries we demand. I swear I'm not picking on you but I see this line all the time when US-EU gas price comparisons are made and I just can't buy it from a logical POV. So I thought I'd get all anal and play w…
2 things:
#1 http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/01/news/international/usgas_pri...
"The United States has always fought to keep gas prices low,"
_fought_, as in, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, etc...
#2 Taxes