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Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by naruvimama »

legolas2412 wrote: post #158
naruvimama wrote: post #149

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If India is not declared a Hindu state, there is a good chance that it becomes an Islamic state. Like Pakistan, one denomination will start killing another, it will become a hellhole, like much of west Asia.

India has been a secular state for 70 years, and it is not becoming Islamic. We can stay secular or become a Hindu theocratic state. Becoming an Islamic theocratic state is not at all a possibility. If you really think there's a chance, i am willing to bet on it. Free money for me.

That must be exactly what the people of Sindh and Kashmir must have thought when they first gave refugee to Muslims.

Did not turn out very well for them.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by naruvimama »

zozbot234 wrote: post #154
naruvimama wrote: post #153

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We do not have conflicts with other groups. I am not so convinced that there is no fault with Islam considering history as well as the neighborhood. It takes a lot of self loath and stupidity to buy into this argument mostly made by young or ignorant leftists.

> We do not have conflicts with other groups. Well, there's that whole bovine liberation moo'vement, that has sometimes turned violent.

In India where a cow is not safe a Hindu is not safe.

Wonder how that came about.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by naruvimama »

random314 wrote: post #116
naruvimama wrote: post #88

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That seems to be colonial/Christian interpretation of dharma. You should perhaps watch some videos of what actual Hindu gurus say.

> watch some videos of what actual Hindu gurus say. I am watching videos of what actual hindu gurus are saying and quoting hindu texts https://twitter.com/DalitChef/status/1283967349691826184?s=1... Right from the horses mouth. Quoting prabhupada. https://twitter.com/Devendrakumar_/status/128447931018772890... More knowledge from Prabhupada. Click on the video to hear him explain clearly. "The word dharma is used. Dh…

How about a contemporary guru like Sadhguru?

Your obsession with dead people and their lies, does not apply to a living tradition like Hinduism.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by random314 »

naruvimama wrote: post #163
random314 wrote: post #116

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> watch some videos of what actual Hindu gurus say. I am watching videos of what actual hindu gurus are saying and quoting hindu texts https://twitter.com/DalitChef/status/1283967349691826184?s=1... Right from the horses mouth. Quoting prabhupada. https://twitter.com/Devendrakumar_/status/128447931018772890... More knowledge from Prabhupada. Click on the video to hear him explain clearly. "The word dharma is used. Dh…

How about a contemporary guru like Sadhguru? Your obsession with dead people and their lies, does not apply to a living tradition like Hinduism.

Aside from his criminal activities, sadhguru is not a guru of Hinduism. I will be surprised if he even understands sanskrit. With Logan paul, he claimed no connection with religion. In India, he hints in a different direction. Why would you want Hinduism to be connected with a charlatan?

Btw, 2 of the gurus I cited are alive.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by random314 »

legolas2412 wrote: post #157
random314 wrote: post #127

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I like how you have stated your beliefs simply and clearly. Let's not pretend that your vote for modi is based on some car factory. Also, for your future reference. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_secularism#Secular...

I don't agree with any of the posters in this thread advocating that India become a Hindu state. But your viewpoint is also troubling for me. Do you not think there is an undercurrent of theocracy in Islam? Do you think that there is nothing wrong with the countries in that list? India is still far more diverse, liberal, accepting than any of those countries. You can't simultaneously think that India is horrible for…

Of course Islamic countries can be fairly theocratic. India was liberal pre-2014. Now all parties feel compelled to sport some form of Hindutva-lite.

But you are fooling yourself if you think India is liberal or secular today. How many Muslim majority countries will you find where lynching is commonplace and a terror accused is specially picked as a candidate, because the act of terror was a blast in a mosque. Outside Israel, Saudi Arabia, Russia this will be a hard sell.

The concerns around Modi or Erdogan is the change from a secular state to a. theocratic state.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by dTal »

rsj_hn wrote: post #34
ur-whale wrote: post #15

That's two over-a-billion population dysfunctional autocratic regimes in Asia. Fun times ahead.

Western Liberal democracy is basically vanquished in Asia, right at the time that Asia seems to be poised to dominate economically and demographically. Liberal democracy isn't making any inroads in Africa and Russia has certainly given it a firm no, with the Vysehrad states in Eastern Europe also turning away. Basically only Latin America is up for grabs at the moment and the results there seem mixed at best. We coul…

>I think those worried about authoritarianism should be much more concerned about the power of tech and big corps to control the public square than having the "wrong" people win elections, because the defending the process is much more important than the worrying about the outcome.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, because the "wrong" people winning elections is - in part - exactly how the process gets destroyed. Once in power, they twist the system to stay there - that's the pattern.

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Post by nisanth074 »

throwaway4good wrote: post #25

I don't like the crazy Hindu nationalism of current India at all. But the premise of this article is wrong and arrogant. India is a sovereign country and it has every right to define what is legal political discourse and what is not. The idea that the authority on this are some US companies or another outside force is absurd. Media and free speech is regulated all over the world including in the USA. Outright racism…

@throwaway4good The Hindu nationalism narrative espoused by mainstream media (who are extremely Left and psuedo-secular) is a false one. In the contrary, Hinduism is unfortunately dying a death by thousand cuts. The country is suffering from numerous atrocities by Islam (forced conversations, rapes, temple vandalism etc.). These are just a few (and not all) atrocities by Muslims just in the past week

https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/temple-vandalised-journalist... Dalits forced to Leave Noorpur, Aligarh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hcce1SSubI Hindu beaten up by Muslims in a Muslim majority area over a petty spat where the latter were at fault https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/1403969433157079047 Women and her children force converted to Islam and her children were circumcised https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/uttar-pradesh-forced-convers... Assassination attempt https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/yati-assassination-plot-vipu... Rape of a minor girl by a 50 year old Muslim cleric https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/up-gorakhpur-maulana-rapes-m... Doctor assaulted https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/west-bengal-family-of-one-sh... Temple vandalised and desecreated A 47 year old Muslim girl rapes minor girl https://www.opindia.com/2021/06/delhi-cleric-rapes-minor-gir... Muslims after gaining a local majority oppose a Hindu procession https://www.opindia.com/2021/05/tamil-nadu-hindu-procession-...

The above is in a Hindu majority nation. Imagine the sheer number of crimes/atrocities Muslims would commit if they were the majority (like they did in Pakistan, Bangladesh and other Muslim majority nations).

Simultaneously, Hinduism is being dealt another severe blow by rampant Christian conversion (funded by donations arriving from the US) https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/how-devout-christian-miss... and misuse of Hindu temple funds by Christian Chief Ministers https://iskconnews.org/government-control-weakens-indias-tem... Hindu temples in the country (and especially my state) are being vandalised by the dozens. Barely a few months ago, an anclient year temple near my home was vandalised and the 400 year old temple idol was decapitated https://swarajyamag.com/insta/andhra-pradesh-400-year-old-lo...

The currently ruling party, BJP, were democratically elected. They can barely be classified a Centre party or a Centre-right party and even appeal to Christian and Muslim voters in a few Indian states. The old ruling party, Indian National Congress (INC) is an extremely corrupt, inept and psuedo-secular minority appeasing party leader by an incompetent leader (Rahul Gandhi). They've ruled India since 1947 independence and have caused irreparable economic and cultural damage to the country through their policies. The country and Hinduism will be in dire straits if they're re-elected.

> I don't like the crazy Hindu nationalism of current India at all.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by valarauko »

ummonk wrote: post #16
rsj_hn wrote: post #3

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> I see this as a propaganda piece. I tend to agree. I've worked in SV a long time, and a majority of non-US-born coworkers remain Indian. I see no evidence of this changing, so I find it implausible that slate has it's finger on the pulse of tech and is detecting a weakening of the role of Indian programmers, nor have I observed any decline in the quality or usefulness of Indian programmers, which is ultimately what…

I think the piece is about India the country, not Indian expats though?

The article does make a reference to casteism in SV perpetuated by indian expats, unrelated to the rest of the piece.

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Post by simmanian »

lasagnaphil wrote: post #151
rsj_hn wrote: post #14

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Given the timelines involved, I'd say it's more likely that not that Modi is following in the footsteps of Xi Jinping. In fact most of Asia is in the hands of some kind of ethno-nationalist leader, from Duterte in the Phillipines to Suga in Japan, Xi in China or Jae-In in S. Korea. Modi is not really exceptional when viewed on the scale of other asian leaders. But Asia has always had a much more ethno-nationalist ben…

Wait, do you really think president Moon of S. Korea is ethno-nationalist of all things? You have no idea what you're talking about - he's just your run-of-the-mill liberal. You really need to be careful generalizing the whole Asia region to fit your narrative. S. Korea was already a bit culturally ethno-nationalist not because of reasons like 'racism' or something like Western populist politics, but because of the m…

+1 to this. Grandparent comment greatly reduces Asian politics. Even the bit on Aung San Suu Kyi is way too simplified.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by naruvimama »

tln750 wrote: post #156
naruvimama wrote: post #152

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Atrocity literate was quite convenient both for the colonizers as well as for the church. We have a cottage industry even today that churns out fake attacks on Christians to justify interference or bullying by western countries.

Imagine having a mind that is so saturated with hatred and propaganda that a young girl's cry of despair from 1855, protesting against centuries upon centuries of oppression and brutality, is blithely discarded as 'atrocity literature'. For all the warbling about 'dharmic' culture, basic humanity and a desire to develop an inner yardstick for truth is utterly missing from your absurd screeds.

Was the book "written" by the girl or is it the church/colonizers that had authored the book.

And did the girl live for centuries just so she can experience the white savior?

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