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Re: Firefox Release 89.0

#161

I bounce between qutebrowser, brave, and firefox - could anyone who exclusively uses ff convince me to switch? I've always viewed ff as a solid fine out of ten, and would be interested in hearing more about any unique and cool features.

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Re: Firefox Release 89.0

#162

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The UX community seems to value rather than avoid breaking changes, and it's infuriating. Novelty and surprise are rarely usability virtues.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." I guess it's unsurprising that UX designers would want to continue having work to do.

IDK, I like it, I would be one of those people that would complain about the 90's look if they didn't do this every now and then. But, people like you are ok with desktops like XFCE I guess, I like trying new paradigms, see what works, change what doesn't. I enjoy the occasional refresh in look and feel. Actually I think people like you are a minority, the majority just continues to enjoy evolutionary steps in design and never complains.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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> Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? It doesn't. Maybe small parts of it get tweaks here and there. But your argument about having to re-adjust every update is just dishonest.

If you use niche or power user features frequently, then it can feel like almost every single update is reworking or removing a feature you depend on. Firefox updates are a constant stream of "1% of users use this feature so it's fine to do X to it" but it turns out that a lot of people fall into a lot of those small buckets at once.

And then after 99 times they act all surprised there’s no users left. They are killing themselves by a thousand cuts.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Or https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/ as an alternative.

Interesting. How is it better?

For me, I really liked how it has "panel" functionality that also let me replace Simple Tab Groups, and how nicely that interacts with Multi-Account Containers. I have a panel for work, and when I'm done with work I can switch to another panel for another task and no longer have to look at my work tabs - then the next day I can have just those in my tab bar again.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Sadly, I think there is some truth to the adage that departments ensure their continued existence.

I worry about that

For good reason - design changes of a web browser might be the least of our troubles though.

This problem is everywhere. The last thing we should do when we need a problem solved is creating a department or office whose continued existence depends on the problem being there.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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> "We’ve redesigned and modernized the core experience to be cleaner, more inviting, and easier to use." Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? I find myself having to re-adjust every time a new update is shipped. What's wrong with having a consistent experience that survives for more than 6 months? It's just a URL bar, and a bunch of tabs. Just leave it be already.

Don't be over dramatic. It's still tabs and an URL bar, there's nothing to adjust to.

Even the back button is wrong in the new version. Previously it spanned up to the left edge of the window. Now it's moved to the right, lacks immediate feedback and then it is drawn to the right with some new empty space for no reason but to make it harder to hit the back button, the most used button of the interface.

The visual cue with the circle around it is also gone. Even the lines used to draw the arrow are thinner, making it less visible. Compare:

https://www.ghacks.net/2021/04/19/here-is-what-is-new-and-ch...

It's very distracting to me.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

#167

I bounce between qutebrowser, brave, and firefox - could anyone who exclusively uses ff convince me to switch? I've always viewed ff as a solid fine out of ten, and would be interested in hearing more about any unique and cool features.

uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

#168
For us compact UI users, if you go into Customize Toolbar you'll see it still selected and listed, but it says "unsupported". It might be time to bite the bullet and go to the normal density setting since they'll likely rip it out in time anyway.

Which would be a mistake, not only did compact get slightly larger itself, but the now-unsupported compact mode merely match's Microsoft Edge's UI pixel usage. If it's just normal and tablet mode, Firefox is now larger than Edge. Edge is supposed to be the good-default browser, not the power user's choice.

It would make more sense to have compact (in reality this is desktop density), and tablet mode. Just remove "normal". At the rate they're going, may as well go whole hog and remove compact and normal, having everyone use tablet mode density. Burn the house down.

Compact mode looks so much better than normal it's not even funny. Mozilla needs to stop disrespecting our precious vertical pixels.

I don't think you'll win over the masses or power users with an oversized Fisher Price UI.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

#169
I'm a long time user of FF.

I really don't like the UI changes in this upgrade, but setting:

"browser.proton.enabled" to false

"browser.uidensity" to 1

(while using the `System Theme`)

Seems to have done the trick, so, I can just ignore the UI changes (which is great)... fingers crossed in that this keeps working in the future.

UI changes are very much subjective, so, I think that it's great that some people like the new UI better and keep using it as long as there's also a way to not alienate existing users that like the existing UI.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

#170

Does anyone feel that this new UI brings notable improvement? I don't think it is much worse, other than taking some extra vertical space but for the most part my reaction is "meh". I feel like these resources could have been spent much better in other parts of the browser. Am I missing some reason why this is worth the investment?

The tabs are more compact than they used to be
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