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The Return of Fancy Tools

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Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by laurent92 »

rkangel wrote: post #159
randallsquared wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've got work to do that isn't tool shuffling. Is most of that work waiting for Jira to respond to your action so you can take the next action? I don't know if it's possible to have an adequately fast installation of Jira (since I've never seen one in a decade of Jira use at various places), but I do notice that people who have to put a lot of things into Jira seem to mostly use text editors or word processors to a…

> I don't know if it's possible to have an adequately fast installation of Jira That's not my experience of Jira. The cloud version is the best, and our current on-prem installation is perfectly fine. I agree that Jira isn't the snappiest tool to use, but I don't sit there consciously waiting for it to do stuff.

> I agree that Jira isn’t the snappiest tool

It is forbidden in the ToS 3.3 to “(i) publicly disseminate information regarding the performance of the Cloud Products“.

https://www.atlassian.com/legal/cloud-terms-of-service

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by agumonkey »

jcelerier wrote: post #106

> Visual Studio was “disrupted” by Sublime Text and TextMate, no it was not. people didn't migrate from VS to Sublime, they migrated from notepad++ to Sublime. I have never met anyone who stopped using IDEs once they started, except maybe for VSCode with a few hundred plug-ins to reconstruct an IDE piece-wise (but with much less "integration" between the different plug-ins)

I've seen a few that stopped IDEs, I have no stats of course but I've seen it mentionned in blogs just enough to comment. I for one stopped IDEs but I'm a peculiar dude that prefer the from-scratch approach (to an extent, I never wrote emacs myself, but at least I know who,why my java classpath is the way it is unlike in Eclipse)

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by vasco »

laurent92 wrote: post #161
rkangel wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know if it's possible to have an adequately fast installation of Jira That's not my experience of Jira. The cloud version is the best, and our current on-prem installation is perfectly fine. I agree that Jira isn't the snappiest tool to use, but I don't sit there consciously waiting for it to do stuff.

> I agree that Jira isn’t the snappiest tool It is forbidden in the ToS 3.3 to “(i) publicly disseminate information regarding the performance of the Cloud Products“. https://www.atlassian.com/legal/cloud-terms-of-service

I also confirm that in my experience the performance of the JIRA Cloud installation has been mostly fine. It's not amazingly fast but only having used JIRA cloud, even with loads of projects and so on, I always thought it was weird to read all the stories of poor performance.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by Macha »

mih wrote: post #125
gknoy wrote: post #96

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There's no "coherency" to them. It's interesting to hear you say that. With the integrations we have with Slack and Github, I see previews, summaries, etc thrown at me when I link things

I recently had to upgrade Jira and Confluence at the workplace. It was clear from their configuration methods and how they respond to errors/failures, they are written by different development teams. One needs to be an admin to experience this, ordinary users will see no difference. Take for example the admin UI. When adding "Application Links" to link Jira and Confluence with each other, Jira has a nice tabbed inter…

Or even just the wildly different text formatting syntax across tools

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by k__ »

jcelerier wrote: post #106

> Visual Studio was “disrupted” by Sublime Text and TextMate, no it was not. people didn't migrate from VS to Sublime, they migrated from notepad++ to Sublime. I have never met anyone who stopped using IDEs once they started, except maybe for VSCode with a few hundred plug-ins to reconstruct an IDE piece-wise (but with much less "integration" between the different plug-ins)

I used WebStorm for years.

But I stopped, because IDEs were too slow to adapt to current tech.

Text based tools can simply move faster.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by olingern »

jcelerier wrote: post #106

> Visual Studio was “disrupted” by Sublime Text and TextMate, no it was not. people didn't migrate from VS to Sublime, they migrated from notepad++ to Sublime. I have never met anyone who stopped using IDEs once they started, except maybe for VSCode with a few hundred plug-ins to reconstruct an IDE piece-wise (but with much less "integration" between the different plug-ins)

I followed the author’s IDE trajectory but only because I stopped working with C#

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by ontouchstart »

makapuf wrote: post #103
jes wrote: post #86

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Exactly. I well remember the green or amber 24x80 terminals. Televideo, Lear-Siegler, etc. Bundles of twisted pair cable for tty lines back to the machine room. Good times....

But wasn't vi the Fancy Tool then?

That is why I started to use ed. Much better than vi because you THINK in a buffer :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(text_editor)

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by headmelted »

Visual Studio was “disrupted” by Sublime Text and TextMate, which are now getting replaced by Visual Studio Code

No-one switched from VS to TextMate or Sublime except the author. There’s virtually no overlap in workflows.

I can absolutely believe people switched from either to VSC, as they are designed for similar workflows.

Re: The Return of Fancy Tools

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Post by Otek »

0xCMP wrote: post #58

It's basically cause of mobile. Simple tools often involve using files. Using plain text files too. I don't think the pendulum will swing back the same. Files are a bad abstraction. Databases via HTTP APIs are far more reliable for using between all our devices. Syncing files without something like Git is very painful and for Git to be used the user themselves need to be able to handle the diff themselves correctly.…

I agree with you completely. I love orgmode and I love emacs but using tool like TickTick or Things3 for my todos makes it so much better because without any hustle I have the same version everywhere and with nice UI. For stuff that I don’t need to sync, merge etc on many devices I definitely choose Emacs + Org. For stuff that I need on the go, updated on the spot - sorry, too much hustle for me
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