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Re: India’s second wave

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Post by thedrbrian »

mullingitover wrote: post #129
hesarenu wrote: post #120

Wearing mask might just delay getting the infection. I wore mask all the time, wfh and go out only for groceries, still got infected. And when the CM gets Covid a second time after vaccination anyone can get it even with mask or vaccination.

The point of wearing masks is mostly to prevent you from infecting others if you're already infected. They're somewhat effective at preventing infection but that's not what they're best at - if you're wearing a mask in a room with an unmasked, contagious case, you're still in danger.

>If you’re already infected.

And if you’ve had it or been vaccinated?

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by not2b »

not2b wrote: post #135
collyw wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I see a teenage suicide as a result of lockdown far more tragic than an 83 year old death from covid (that's the average age of Covid death in the UK. The average age of death in the UK is 82). 60+ years of life lost versus a maybe 2 or 3.

Stop with the suicide myth. The suicide rate actually decreased during the Covid pandemic. People are not killing themselves at greater rates because of lockdown.

For whoever downvoted this, here's a reference:

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-suicides-have-dec...

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by alex_smart »

supernovae wrote: post #157
qart wrote: post #25

Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive. All the more reason everyone should mask up. And yet, most people stopped masking months ago. Crowds are as bad as they were in 2019. On top of that, doctors here have created a craze for remdesivir, resulting in a blackmarket for it. The central and state governments have mismanaged plenty of things. While they deserve their share of blame, the ord…

What I don't get is why we call ourselves democracies and speak as "lockdowns hurt poor people very badly" In a representative democracy, you wouldn't lock down and force people to starve - you would lock down and provide income/food/capabilities for people to live regardless of their social/economic status. locking down isn't why poor people hurt, locking down and doing nothing to feed them does. It's like this pand…

>In a representative democracy, you wouldn't lock down and force people to starve - you would lock down and provide income/food/capabilities for people to live regardless of their social/economic status.

I didn't realize that being a rich country with a developed economy was a pre-requisite to being a representative democracy.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by alex_smart »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #116
bellyfullofbac wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish people gave a bit more shit about protecting themselves properly, I see too many half-assed mask wearing (with the nose out) around. Or people thinking being masked means they can just hover near others. I also wish that governments try to inform more, I don't really see anyone saying "Ventilate more!" like this research results suggest they should: https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-a.…

> I wish people gave a bit more shit about protecting themselves properly I wish people gave a bit more shit about protecting others properly. The people who don't wear masks properly are the ones who think only about themselves ("this mask won't protect me anyway") and don't care about how masks help protect the people around them.

Indian people are very selfish in general unfortunately. Living in a resource-starved environment would do that to you.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by rjsw »

mnw21cam wrote: post #119
Wildgoose wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely not true. The UK Government paid for the AZ vaccine to be developed and then stipulated as part of the contract that it must be made available at cost to developing countries. The EU on the other hand keeps seizing vaccines produced for other countries.

And the way that the UK shares is by setting up production in other countries, which makes more sense than producing in the UK and shipping everywhere. But it makes it look like the UK is tight-fisted because the vaccines don't get exported.

One of the first AZ production sites was in India.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by tim333 »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #62
esperent wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a less developed part of the world - Vietnam - and the government and people have been incredibly successful in controlling the virus here. Aside from two short lockdowns of a couple of weeks, my life has barely been affected (except for the lack of tourists and the fact I can't travel outside the country). Local tourism and business seems to be booming. Meanwhile I hear all the stories from back home in Eu…

Vietnam and India aren't so comparable. In spite of both getting the label "developing country", India has more extreme poverty than Vietnam. Vietnam is also a more centralized, authoritarian state that is in a better position to enforce restrictions.

It seems having right wing populists run the counties doesn't help much - see Trump, Bolsonaro, maybe to an extent Boris and Modi.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by dragontamer »

qndreoi wrote: post #154
dragontamer wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 74% effective (at preventing symptoms) Preventing "moderate symptoms", which is enough symptoms that the typical person would stay home from work. "mild symptoms" means people notice they were more tired than usual, but otherwise didn't feel like it was bad enough to stay home. "Severe" symptoms, which means people went to a hospital to get treated. ----------- The 74% and 95% numbers you quoted were against "moder…

"IIRC, all vaccines were 100% effective against "hospitalizations" and "death" (severe)." Very close to 100%, but not quite. In US state of Ohio, 2.8 million vaccinated, 14 hospitalizations from breakthrough cases, all folks with multiple co-morbidities that would have killed them. So, 14/2.8 million = about 99.9995 % over about two months.

The 100% figure was specific to the "in the Phase 3 trials" tidbit I left in my post.

Apologies if that was unclear. With only 30,000 people or 40,000 people in the phase 3 trial, its impossible to differentiate between 99.99% and 100%. We can only see how far above 99.99% we've gotten by deploying to the public.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by skeeter2020 »

grecy wrote: post #159
supernovae wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't get is why we call ourselves democracies and speak as "lockdowns hurt poor people very badly" In a representative democracy, you wouldn't lock down and force people to starve - you would lock down and provide income/food/capabilities for people to live regardless of their social/economic status. locking down isn't why poor people hurt, locking down and doing nothing to feed them does. It's like this pand…

Canada, Australia & New Zealand (and I'm sure many other countries) have done an excellent job providing money to people who are stuck at home because they can't go to work. Here in Canada it was $500/week for 28 weeks, then you moved onto a different scheme if you still needed support. Everyone who needed it go it. We have not been desperately waiting for a pittance of $1200. Be careful not to generalize that all de…

>> We have not been desperately waiting for a pittance of $1200.

No, we've been desperately waiting for vacinnes after being repeatedly promised there will be plently for everyone ("look at all these contracts we've signed!") while they pay you off with massive borrowing that someone is going to be responsible for when the music stops.

Meanwhile Texas, the poster-child for bad behaviour, is headed back to normal.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by MiSeRyDeee »

grecy wrote: post #159
supernovae wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't get is why we call ourselves democracies and speak as "lockdowns hurt poor people very badly" In a representative democracy, you wouldn't lock down and force people to starve - you would lock down and provide income/food/capabilities for people to live regardless of their social/economic status. locking down isn't why poor people hurt, locking down and doing nothing to feed them does. It's like this pand…

Canada, Australia & New Zealand (and I'm sure many other countries) have done an excellent job providing money to people who are stuck at home because they can't go to work. Here in Canada it was $500/week for 28 weeks, then you moved onto a different scheme if you still needed support. Everyone who needed it go it. We have not been desperately waiting for a pittance of $1200. Be careful not to generalize that all de…

You realize that the stimulus check comes with a cost right? You almost sound like government can just give arbitrary money to citizens but isn't willing to do so.
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