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Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Post by root_axis »

ghostpepper wrote: post #113
root_axis wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify is targeting the millions of customers that already use their app who aren't regular podcast listeners. These people will now get exposed to the podcast ecosystem through Spotify and that'll help boost subscriber retention.

As someone who uses Spotify for music, and another podcast app for podcasts, I find it annoying to scroll past podcasts to get to music. I'm skeptical that someone who has no interest in podcasts will decide that instead of putting on music they want to listen to a podcast - at least in most situations.

Spotify has 350m users, even if it's not in "most cases" there is huge potential to tap into.

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Post by nwsm »

mrweasel wrote: post #35

Do Spotify actually manage to sell any significant number of subscriptions due to podcasts? Personally when ever I hear about an interesting podcast, and it's followed by "available on Spotify/Podimo, whatever", my reaction is always: Okay, never mind then. There are so many great podcasts on the open web. Those available on platforms like Spotify always seems to be people with existing celebrity status trying to "ca…

> Assuming you have an existing successful podcast, I don't get why you'd move to something like Spotify. Are you really going to make that much more money? Your share of $10 per month cannot be high.

Why would you not put it on Spotify? It costs you nothing and can only increase your audience. I’m not talking about exclusive-rights scenarios, but the majority of podcasts which are published to multiple platforms.

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Post by captn3m0 »

loosetypes wrote: post #125
Lendal wrote: post #76

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No, but they could lose subscribers due to Podcasts. See, I pay for Spotify because of their playlists. Playlists have nothing to do with podcasts. I listen to my podcasts using a different app. Yet Spotify keeps throwing its podcasts in my face. Spotify is not good at podcasts. That's why I use a different app for that. I'm getting tired of scrolling past all the podcast spam in my Spotify UI, and yet Spotify provid…

Audible has been doing similarly recently and it’s quite frustrating. I understand everyone’s doing it and you as a company feel entitled to a slice of whatever podcast pie. What I don’t understand is how that can take focus when your audio player has been getting steadily worse - corrupted offline download, buggy buffering, choppy audio after jumping back 30s. If your bread and butter - what I’m actually paying for…

Amazon Music has also started the same, even putting a banner ad for Amazon Music Podcasts in the Amazon app.

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Post by claaams »

will4274 wrote: post #142
TameAntelope wrote: post #114

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Eh, Rogan normalizes hate speech in ways that if you or I were to try to do would get us fired/unfriended. I don't think that's "fine", but it's also not really topical to the submission so I'll leave it at that. Edit: if folks want to start a discussion about this with me, let's create an email thread about it. My email is in my profile, I'll wait until three folks mention their interest before getting started, if t…

Can you give me an example of something Joe Rogan has said that you think a tech employer would fire an employee for? (Seriously asking, I don't listen to Rogan.)

He's elevated and normalized white ethno-fascist voices. He is subtly transphobic. I used to listen to him constantly when I was younger but I find him to be a huge chungus these days. I think maybe its that I have changed more than his podcast has but I'm not sure.

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Post by captn3m0 »

post_break wrote: post #8

Meanwhile I guess apple stopped accepting new podcasts into their database and people are spreading rumors of a new paid podcasts+ subscription model launching today. Which I hope falls flat. Podcasts should be free and accessible to anyone.

Announced: https://techcrunch.com/2021/04/20/apple-unveils-podcast-subs...

Press Release: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-leads-the-next-...

Quote:

>Starting in May, listeners in more than 170 countries and regions can sign up for premium subscriptions that include a variety of benefits curated by creators, such as ad-free listening, access to additional content, and early or exclusive access to new series.

>Fifteen years ago, Apple took podcasts mainstream, offering creators a premier, _open platform_ to inform, entertain, and inspire hundreds of millions of listeners around the world,” said Eddy Cue

Interesting that the "open platform" part is no longer needed.

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Post by qwaters »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #103
redisman wrote: post #88

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Rogan is fine (if dumb) light entertainment to have in the background. I haven’t listened to a single episode since the move now that it’s not on YouTube anymore. Spotify is also totally awful for podcasts as the UX is for a music player. Besides Lex now fills that hole with a lot more intelligence

I've heard Joe Rogan jokingly refered to as "Oprah for middle aged white dudes".

Rogan conducted decent interviews with Roger Penrose and Oliver Stone.

It's not about Rogan, it is about the guests. His interviews are certainly less formulaic than Charlie Rose's, except when he inserts his favorite topics (just use fast forward ...).

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Post by mackrevinack »

hellohiyesokay wrote: post #130
iscrewyou wrote: post #110

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Lately, I've even been scared of listening to music other than my usual taste (e.g. a radio hit, a foreign song, song in one of those instagram videos) because their algorithm seems to amplify my "smart" playlists with anything that's different. There should be an option to turn off simple things like that: turn off podcasts, pause learning from my music for then next 30 minutes, etc. I always thought the advantage o…

Private sessions are my solution for branching out. Still a pain, and shouldn't happen. Google Play Music did this really well and for me, even with its issues, was miles ahead of Spotify.

i instinctively turn on private mode every time i open spotify on my desktop. i really wish it worked the opposite way, have it turned off all the time and then turn it on when you want spotify to build up new recommendations for you

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Post by edgyquant »

rchaud wrote: post #90
klelatti wrote: post #33

Joe who? Seriously, I think that there are a number of reasons why this won't pan out as predicted: - There aren't really any tent-pole, must listen podcasts. They thought Joe Rogan was one but I'm hearing a lot of people have stopped listening to him on Spotify (I have). - Spotify (and others) don't have the money to buy out the whole podcast ecosystem and many podcast makers I think would resist going Spotify exclu…

Joe Rogan will occasionally have guests that attract people who wouldn't otherwise be interested in common JRE topics. In my case, it was podcasts with Billy Corgan and Shirley Manson (of Smashing Pumpkins and Garbage, respectively). I enjoyed those episodes a lot, plus a few he has with comedians I find funny. But it wasn't enough to make me subscribe. I doubt there is any podcast that I consider indispensable enoug…

The only podcasts I listen religiously are the intelligence by the economist and revolutions by Mike Duncan. I can listen to the intelligence via the economist app and Revolutions is ending this year (and I get it through the standard podcast app on iOS.)
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