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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by markdown » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:01 PM UTC

cicero wrote: post #60

zero_deg_kevin wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Rogan knew exactly who he was signing with (a risk-averse media company). Two parties voluntarily decided to do business according to some mutually agreeable terms. None of this should be surprising or outrageous to anyone...but, here we are.

So they appear to have mutually agreed to remove content to conform to the prevailing pressure to restrict public discourse to only politically correct content. While it is certainly their right to make any business arrangement they want, it is distressing that open conversation continues to shrink in our world, whether it be through unilateral cancelation or mutual agreement for the sake of money.

> it is distressing that open conversation continues to shrink in our world

Are you sure about that? When has talk about Bigfoot, moon landing conspiracies, the government turning frogs gay, and other such nonsense been welcome in "open conversation"?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by luckylion » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:01 PM UTC

colllectorof wrote: post #78

Gotta love the constant movement of goalposts and gaslighting around this. As in many other cases it started with claims that nobody intends to censor any content during the move. Then when deletions actually took place the narrative radically shifted to the claim that content removal was always the obvious, natural and reasonable course and there should be no controversy, because it was inevitable all along.

Sounds like they took a page from Ulbricht (Walter, not Ross!): "Nobody has any intention of building a wall", then shortly after starting construction of a wall to imprison the citizens of East Germany, and calling it "the antifascist bulwark". The GDR soldiers that shot fleeing citizens in the back were praised as heroes that defended the glorious Soviet Republic against traitors.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by minitech » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

cercatrova wrote: post #94

idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

Nitpicking but it's "who" not "whom". One tries to acquiesce someone, so "who" is used as it's the direct object, not the indirect object.

- “whom” is for all objects, no direct/indirect distinction

- I’ve never heard “acquiesce” used with a direct object and dictionaries don’t seem to have either

- but they said “aquisice” anyway so who knows

So yeah, it’s needlessly flowery and incorrect (name a more iconic duo), but the “whom” isn’t this time (although “who” would also be good).

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by JPKab » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

I worked for a tech company until recently that had allowed a relatively small group of activist employees to trigger HR policies that have been extremely detrimental to the morale and bottom line of the company.

Cowardly HR departments who don't recognize that, by and large, the activist employees are mediocre at best, rather than remotely productive employees, has made things worse. Also, companies like Spotify seem to spawn an odd lack of self-awareness amongst many employees about how utterly replaceable they actually are. Spotify is a video and audio streaming service. There isn't anything novel about that anymore, as proved by how rapidly HBO and Disney were able to roll out platforms which do the same thing.

Even worse, the HR don't recognize this either.

I can personally attest to the fact that the new CEO who was my last straw at my last gig care far more about his personal reputation at his Marin County country club than the bottom line for the shareholders. He acted accordingly, and the board of directors also care far more about their reputations.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by brown9-2 » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

The opening lines of this article are a great example of how to write alarmist copy:

> Just last week, Digital Music News first reported that 40 different Joe Rogan Experience podcast episodes were found missing from Spotify, now the exclusive platform for the show. Now, that number has quickly grown to 42

It quickly grew by 2!

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by bunfunton » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

When the deal first happened he came out and insisted that they had no power over him whatsoever.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by markdown » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #128

Nbbbi wrote: post #38

type in the N word to Spotify — prepared to be shocked. on IG (soundcloud) I noticed some wildly racist old song. music is exempt from social justice but open discussion and bad jokes are not.

Spotify employees seem to have no issue with songs about killing police, assaulting women, bashing gays etc. Just listen to a mainstream rapper like Eminem and there is plenty to get offended about, if they cared too. A tame lyric for example: “But I may fight for gay rights, especially if that dyke is more of a knockout than Janay Rice/Play nice? Bitch I’ll punch Lana Del Rey right in the face twice, like Ray Rice i…

Some art is supposed to offend. If you want your antivaxxer theories, bigfoot stories, and moon landing conspiracies on Spotify, sing a song.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ziftface » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #155

fareesh wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

Comments like the one you replied to honestly seem kind of silly. The "problem" you're describing is as old as time, it's not some new phenomenon the west bumped into.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ljm » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

bgorman wrote: post #158

ljm wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard second hand that the folks working at Spotify were incredibly unhappy about this Joe Rogan deal, and one of the reasons for that was because leadership steamrolled over any concerns they had. And there were many. I don't really know who this guy is or why you'd spend 100 million on him to secure a deal. But he's walking away with that money and Spotify is left with the infighting. They fucked themselves over…

It is not an absurd investment, Spotify is a commodity technology and taking away Joe Rogan podcast from their biggest competitor (Apple) provides much needed differentiation. Joe Rogan's podcast was the number one podcast on Apple Podcasts. Now it isn't available at all.

So you buy out Apple's number 1 podcast...and then Apple has another number 1 podcast. And you're sitting with a lame duck, as is evidenced by TFA.

Is Spotify going to blow another 100 mil on that one and hope for the best?

They messed up by betting large on a celebrity and ignoring the fact that Joe Rogan wasn't a cultural fit.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by hattmall » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #155

fareesh wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

Removing random episodes offering no reasoning is tyrannical. It being "their platform" is a non-statement as that's the only place they can be tyrants.