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Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure they can fit any experimental result that way, they can probably fit any 19 experimental results that way, but in general if you would freely adjust a constant to fit one experiment then it would stop fitting other experiments.

Do we need TDD for particle physics so CI could run tests on what experiments break when merging a theory

That's done by hand. I guess you could automate it. Maybe we'll see that some time in the next century.

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's not good to cherry-pick paragraphs from the whole artile Isn't that exactly what you just did? There's nothing wrong with showing only small quotes, the problem would be cherry picking them in a way that leads people to draw incorrect conclusions about the whole.

Which is what I demonstrated the parent poster did.

They were using a quote from the article to support their own point, not stating that it represented the article's overall conclusion.

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I can't wait for PBS Spacetime to tell me what to think about this.

Am I the only one who barely understands anything from that show? Every episode I hear a dozen barely explained confusing terms with quantum this and higgs-field that. I feel like they care more about impressing me with how complicated this stuff is than they do about actually teaching me much. Maybe I'm just not the target audience :(

There are a lot of quantum mechanics episodes from 1-2 years ago that cause my eyes to just glaze over from all of the math and technical terms. However I feel like the newer episodes are much better at explaining things to the casual viewer rather than math nerds.

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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Alexey Petrov, quoted in the article, subbed in to teach one day in my quantum mechanics class :) It was the first day we were being introduced to the theory of scattering, and I will never forget his intro. He asked the class, “what is scattering?”, waited a moment, and then threw a whiteboard marker against the wall, and answered his own question: “that’s scattering”. Lots of times, physics classes can be so heavy…

I have a theory about how well educated the mass of humans are, could be and should be. Bear with me. Roughly 2000 years ago, the number of people who could do arithmetic and writing was Now it is 95% of the world population, and 99.9% of 'Western' world. Lets say that Alexey Petrov is about as highly educated and trained as any human so far. (A Physics PhD represents pretty much 25 years of full-time full-on educati…

Everyone being as trained as an astronaut would definitely make a difference, if only because they would appreciate the importance of science, technology, innovation... And not believe stupid conspiracy theories about vaccines.

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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post #115

Alexey Petrov, quoted in the article, subbed in to teach one day in my quantum mechanics class :) It was the first day we were being introduced to the theory of scattering, and I will never forget his intro. He asked the class, “what is scattering?”, waited a moment, and then threw a whiteboard marker against the wall, and answered his own question: “that’s scattering”. Lots of times, physics classes can be so heavy…

I have a theory about how well educated the mass of humans are, could be and should be. Bear with me. Roughly 2000 years ago, the number of people who could do arithmetic and writing was Now it is 95% of the world population, and 99.9% of 'Western' world. Lets say that Alexey Petrov is about as highly educated and trained as any human so far. (A Physics PhD represents pretty much 25 years of full-time full-on educati…

> ...will that make a difference in the world today?

It will make a huge difference, and no difference at all. It will probably help us solve all of our current problems. And then it will also introduce a whole new brand of problems which will be sources of crises that generation will deal with. What you read on news will change, but the human emotional response to those news will be very similar to today's.

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As someone who has worked in fields that use lattice calculations (on the experimental side), the new calculation is interesting, but I would not say it’s particularly convincing yet. Lattice calculations are VERY difficult, and are not always stable. I am not questioning whether they did their work well or not, just pointing out that in high energy physics and high energy nuclear physics, many times our experimental…

I am not sure I follow the logic. The new computation aligns with the experiment. Why is it more likely for it to be wrong than the calculation that shows the theory deviating from experiment.

The old calculation relies on older experimental results that have been verified by multiple experiments - so if the older value is wrong, it means either the calculation was done wrong (possible), or the experiments all have had a significant correlated systematic error that has never been caught (also possible). However, I’d say both of those things are relatively unlikely, when compared to the probability of some small error in a new paper that was just released that uses a new method that involves lattice calculations. This is all a balance of probabilities argument, but from my experience in the field, I’d say it’s more likely that any errors in calculation or missed systematics would be in the new paper.

However, I’m an experimentalist who has worked close to a lot of this stuff, not an actual theorist, so I’d love to get a theorists interpretation as well.

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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post #115

Alexey Petrov, quoted in the article, subbed in to teach one day in my quantum mechanics class :) It was the first day we were being introduced to the theory of scattering, and I will never forget his intro. He asked the class, “what is scattering?”, waited a moment, and then threw a whiteboard marker against the wall, and answered his own question: “that’s scattering”. Lots of times, physics classes can be so heavy…

I have a theory about how well educated the mass of humans are, could be and should be. Bear with me. Roughly 2000 years ago, the number of people who could do arithmetic and writing was Now it is 95% of the world population, and 99.9% of 'Western' world. Lets say that Alexey Petrov is about as highly educated and trained as any human so far. (A Physics PhD represents pretty much 25 years of full-time full-on educati…

I agree wholeheartedly. We would live in an exceptional world. The obstacle preventing this is greed and exploitation of people who are born into low income situations. Rising out is the exception, not the rule. Affording many years of education is simply not an option for some. I wish it were, but this is another issue.

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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post #115

Alexey Petrov, quoted in the article, subbed in to teach one day in my quantum mechanics class :) It was the first day we were being introduced to the theory of scattering, and I will never forget his intro. He asked the class, “what is scattering?”, waited a moment, and then threw a whiteboard marker against the wall, and answered his own question: “that’s scattering”. Lots of times, physics classes can be so heavy…

That article is https://www.bbc.com/news/56643677.

(The comment was posted to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26726981 before we merged the threads.)

Re: Particle mystery: physicists confirm the muon is more magnetic than predicted

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Can anyone explain in layman's terms why this is important?

If you take the current sum of all human knowledge and calculate something called g, and then subtract two, you get something different from the the real value of g-2. Therefore, we have identified something that lies beyond the sum of all human knowledge. That's kind of the whole idea behind being a physicist so understandably anyone remotely related to the area this belongs to is pretty excited.

If you are wondering, "why does this one single number matter so much, who cares if we didn't know it before," it is because it hints at a great new theory that could change everything. Nobody knows what theory, but in the past small discrepancies in fundamental measurements have been the seeds of great theories.

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