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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by shagie »

tyingq wrote: post #80
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Dutch law states that a hosting company cannot be prosecuted for the actions of those who hire its servers. It is impossible for a hosting company to know the content of every byte on those servers. But hosting companies are required to take action if they are informed of the presence of illegal content. The question is how quickly and how actively they do so. Chucking a DMCA in the trash sounds like it's against Du…

I don't think a DMCA constitutes "presence of illegal content". It constitutes presence of "content with a US copyright, maybe".

Copyright isn't a US thing - its an international thing. One doesn't have to register their copyright in every country to publish a picture (for that matter, they don't even need to register the copyright to have it be protected).

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by krainboltgreene »

alisonkisk wrote: post #139
breakingcups wrote: post #108

Somehow, when the following two sentences are put together I lose all hope in the world's incentive structure: "Grapperhaus instituted a number of measures. [...] Companies would have to respond to a notification from the child pornography hotline without discussion within 24 hours" "In 2015, Ecatel became embroiled in a lengthy conflict with the Premier League in the UK over claims of illegal streaming of football m…

Football streams are live events. Pornography files generally aren't. The harm from pornography isn't in the viewing (except in a very diffuse sense, not per marginal view); it's in the creation which already happened. Keeping a pornography video up a bit longer is actually positive for law enforcement, since that provides viewer logs that law enforcement can investigate and likely make more arrests.

> Football streams are live events. Pornography files generally aren't.

Both of these statements are not correct for a large sum of both types of content. The proof is incredibly easy to show.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by iwd33 »

casefields wrote: post #131
egypturnash wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, what’s your social security number, legal name, and date of birth? It’s just a number, you shouldn’t have any problem sharing all of those.

457-55-5462 Richard Todd Davis

Regardless of how widely disclosed information might be or what its owner has done with it in the past, sharing PII that doesn’t belong to you on a public forum is still doxing. Particularly when you hold it out to be your own among people who might not have that context, given the question you’re “answering”.

He also learned his lesson over a decade ago, and furthering that lesson unnecessarily as you have here borders on harassment.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by duxup »

t0mas88 wrote: post #2

North Holland is quickly rising in datacenter fame... They also have an ongoing conflict between local and higher level government about Microsoft building a huge datacenter and using all their renewable (wind) energy.

Man that sounds bit like:

"We think people should use renewable energy!"

"Oh no, we didn't mean them!"

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by dragonwriter »

sennight wrote: post #160
Aeolun wrote: post #151

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> since that provides viewer logs that law enforcement can investigate and likely make more arrests By that logic we should leave it up indefinitely? I find it hard to say that even a full illegal football stream hurts more people than even a second of leaving child pornography up.

The FBI disagrees, as they effectively operated one massive CP hidden service for something like a week after collaring the administrator. So how many children did they repeatedly victimize in that time? Zero, if you go off the number of agents prosecuted over it.

> So how many children did they repeatedly victimize in that time? Zero, if you go off the number of agents prosecuted over it.

If you go off the number of agents prosecuted for it, the FBI crime labs wholesale invention and fraudulent presentation of fiber “science” in both its own and, as a service provided to states, state prosecutions leading to numerous convictions and at least three executions grounded in state-agent perjury victimized zero people, too.

Law enforcement tends not to hold its own agents accountable for victimizing people, an issue which some particularly-victimized communities have made some high-profile complaints about over the last few years.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by content_sesh »

exporectomy wrote: post #146
kernoble wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

It would help if people critical of the distribution of child porn would make rational arguments without displaying obvious anger but this is a topic that somehow brings out the hate in people. You're just revealing that you don't have the ability to objectively consider what you're talking about and your opinion is worth no more than a Christian's negative opinion of blasphemy. Are you OK with people using God's nam…

whoa nelly. asking for a "rational argument" against distributing child porn before launching into one of the strangest combinations of ad hom and strawman arguments I've ever seen on this web site. here I'll break it down for you:

The grandparent post said (abbreviating):

  But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a number can exist.
The parent post responded, saying that this is a flawed line of reasoning, because it (imo purposefully) glosses over an important distinction between hosting child porn and hosting most numbers:

  but there is a real human cost here
hope this helps you come to a decision on whether hosting child porn is bad or not!

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by sumeno »

exporectomy wrote: post #146
kernoble wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

It would help if people critical of the distribution of child porn would make rational arguments without displaying obvious anger but this is a topic that somehow brings out the hate in people. You're just revealing that you don't have the ability to objectively consider what you're talking about and your opinion is worth no more than a Christian's negative opinion of blasphemy. Are you OK with people using God's nam…

It's actually very normal and rational to be angered by child abuse. You aren't above it all and morally superior by talking about how you're not angered by children being abused.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by tyingq »

shagie wrote: post #161
tyingq wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think a DMCA constitutes "presence of illegal content". It constitutes presence of "content with a US copyright, maybe".

Copyright isn't a US thing - its an international thing. One doesn't have to register their copyright in every country to publish a picture (for that matter, they don't even need to register the copyright to have it be protected).

I didn't even go down that road. There's nothing compelling a Dutch company to comply with the DMCA. The context of "illegal" that was quoted a few comments up isn't "DMCA", it's "illegal". Like, against Dutch law. Child phonography might be a good example.

On that matter though, here's what copyright.gov has to say:

"There is no such thing as an “international copyright” that will automatically protect an author’s writings throughout the world. Protection against unauthorized use in a particular country depends on the national laws of that country."

https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38a.pdf

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by fallingknife »

JeremyBanks wrote: post #88
vimax wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might care more once laws start protecting children from those in power more than used by those in power as a ploy to dismantle privacy from ordinary people.

Have you seen the news about the child predator congressman facing imminent indictment?

Fucked a 17 year old prostitute is bad, but it's not a "child predator" thing.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by sennight »

dragonwriter wrote: post #165
sennight wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FBI disagrees, as they effectively operated one massive CP hidden service for something like a week after collaring the administrator. So how many children did they repeatedly victimize in that time? Zero, if you go off the number of agents prosecuted over it.

> So how many children did they repeatedly victimize in that time? Zero, if you go off the number of agents prosecuted over it. If you go off the number of agents prosecuted for it, the FBI crime labs wholesale invention and fraudulent presentation of fiber “science” in both its own and, as a service provided to states, state prosecutions leading to numerous convictions and at least three executions grounded in state…

I almost look forward to the feds seizing large sums of bitcoin in the course of their investigations, because that seems to be the only time that there are consequences: when the evidence is mathematically provable and on a decentralized public ledger. Nearly without fail, a fed tries to steal the money - and is quickly caught. That almost never happens. I don't think the agent that totaled an impounded Ferrari F50 ever got anything more than a stern talking to.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2011/05/23/199...

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