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Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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This tells me netflix is seeing a revenue / growth issues in the near future. The content release schedule has been slowing. Growth is probably at peak and with the Disney and Amazon pressure things are looking a little rough. They did the increase subscriber price a few months ago. I think they were shocked by the number of people who cancelled. They can't go in that direction. Funds for content have been spent unwi…

Or perhaps they are seeing an increase in abuse.

Personally I know of very few people that don't share Netflix with others.

It doesn't make financial sense to allow everyone to shoplift your product, especially for something that costs less than an average meal.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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I think it’s fair if they stop the account sharing.

But I think it will have the opposite effect. I have a friend who shared his account with me sometime back and out of courtesy I got Hulu and shared it with him.

I watch Netflix maybe an hour a month, and I can’t even remember the last time I watched Hulu.

If they put an end to sharing, it is very unlikely that I will get my own account. And will stop paying for Hulu too.

But on the other hand, I doubt if they care much about such low usage accounts.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was more directly in response to: > Pay-per-view is probably more appropriate for those who only want to watch a couple movies every month, put ppv isn't available. and > PPV is available for most movies, you can rent them from iTunes or amazon for $3-5 for a single watch in my experience. Yes, PPV is available, but it costs the same to watch a couple movies every month as to subscribe to a whole streaming service…

Costs like those of the Netflix hardware deployed to the edge, including maintenance (and business relation maintenance) don't scale down anywhere near linearly with hours of content watched, neither does the cost of content licensing (especially, I would assume, exclusives). So, expecting prices to scale that way for limited-quantity purchases is unreasonable.

I think customers end up achieving similar costs by sharing accounts, or by signing up for one month per year, or by skipping Netflix altogether because there isn't enough content they want to watch to justify the monthly fee.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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"The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates." - Gaben

This is the same Gaben who runs a store with a bunch of DRM on it that has a variety of mechanisms to prevent account sharing yeah? It's a nice soundbite, but even he doesn't believe it.

Afaik Steam does not mandate DRM, you can have DRM-free games on it. It's just very minimal and convenient for devs I suppose.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it that you think is appropriate for you to be pissed off about? You pay for Netflix for you and your household, not for anyone that happens to be related to you. Has that ever not been the case?

The Netflix plan I pay for allows two simultaneous views and permits different profiles. On what possible ground should it matter what physical location those two screens are viewed at?

> On what possible ground should it matter what physical location those two screens are viewed at?

On the terms of services.

"4.2. The Netflix service and any content viewed through the service are for your personal and non-commercial use only and may not be shared with individuals beyond your household."

I don't agree with it, and I do pay for two simultaneous screens, but that's how it is.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps because they've doubled their streaming service's cost, reduced their content amount and availability, and are now properly warning they are going to be cracking down on geographically distant usage by users of the same account. At this point I'm paying 20 USD/m for Netflix, roommate for HBOMax, friend's password (via reciprocal sharing) for Disney+, and our online TV service, which my elderly disabled mother…

> The post-cable/satellite TV revolution has tripled my costs from what it used to be. Huh. You must have had a really great deal on that nonspecific cable/satellite. Every time I’ve looked at TV packages since before streaming services even existed, it was $50/mo before various fees and at least $70 on the bill, just for basic cable.

Must've.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your account is usable by 2 people of the same household and 1 moves out and continued paying half of of the Netflix bill... would you expect them to be booted out? So how does Netflix make a differentiation?

If that person moves out, they are no longer a part of that household.

I don't split my phone family plan when people leave the "household" - why would I do so for Netflix?

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Netflix plan I pay for allows two simultaneous views and permits different profiles. On what possible ground should it matter what physical location those two screens are viewed at?

> On what possible ground should it matter what physical location those two screens are viewed at? On the terms of services. "4.2. The Netflix service and any content viewed through the service are for your personal and non-commercial use only and may not be shared with individuals beyond your household." I don't agree with it, and I do pay for two simultaneous screens, but that's how it is.

Hmm, I am not sure if that is even legal here in Europe, there are lots of rights in commercial contracts that I can't sign away. How I use a subscription may well be among them.

Not that it greatly matters. I don't share my Netflix account with anybody.

Re: Netflix to start testing warnings for people borrowing login info

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren’t unlimited, there are 5. Profiles are defined as being in the same household. The reasons are easy to understand, if you think about it. Netflix is providing separate queues and ratings for people who have to share, and household sharing is unavoidable in some cases, such as when using shared devices like ipads or game consoles. Or, you could just visit Netflix.com, where they explain the reasons behind pr…

I think you should rephrase your statement. Stealing/theft requires the misappropriation of goods/services that can not be replaced. I.e. once they are gone you do not have them. A real world example of this is stealing a DVD. Copyright infringement is the unauthorized copying of something. The original good is still around, but someone has made a copy. A real world example of this is copying a dvd that you borrowed…

It’s a fair point that copyright infringement might be a better term, except I’m not certain it applies here which is why I didn’t use that term. I think I’ve even used the same argument myself in the past that we shouldn’t call torrenting theft because the owner doesn’t lose it. I’m all for clarity. However, your definition of stealing is incorrect, the word is not limited to physical goods that cannot be replaced. Stealing is simply taking something you don’t have the right to take. (Look it up, I googled dozens of definitions.) Yes I might be using it as a shorthand for breaking copyright law or something else more specific. Breaking copyright law is a subset of stealing.

> Netflix is still getting paid.

Torrents are also commonly paid for by the first viewer, the person who ripped the DVD, so borrowing someone’s account is no different in that respect. Netflix is subtly different in that you still need an account, and because of that, a single account might not be shared as widely as a single torrent. The monetary discrepancy between a single torrent and a million shared accounts might be equal or even larger for Netflix, who knows. I wouldn’t be very surprised if Netflix believes they’re seeing larger losses than pirated movies, precisely because borrowing accounts is so widely believed to not be illegal, and because people feel like it’s no different from using profiles, so cross-household account sharing occurs more often.

> they don’t implicitly ban it

They don’t have to if it’s against the law already.

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