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'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by null_deref »

leesalminen wrote: post #95
beckman466 wrote: post #89

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> I mean, if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse, misogyny and humiliation (and who experience most of this abuse in the music industry).…

To me your comment is illustrating your privilege. Prostituting oneself three times to be financially set for life could be a perfectly acceptable trade off for millions of people. The fact that you wouldn’t even consider it shows that you haven’t gone hungry for a while.

What are you talking about? In my understanding you're saying everyone that been offered sexual transaction from a superstar is dying for a piece of bread? I think that statement is very detached from reality

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Post by beckman466 »

nabla9 wrote: post #154
beckman466 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse, misogyny and humiliation (and who experience most of this abuse in the music industry).…

These two things don't compare: a) People in position of power demanding sexual favors from people so that they can get on with their work or get small rewards. b) Competitive entertainers prostituting themselves for rare opportunities to become wealthy celebrities. Exchanges of sex for extreme rewards. Equating how people prostitute themselves for celebrity status and high income to the abuse that some background da…

> b) Competitive entertainers prostituting themselves for rare opportunities to become wealthy celebrities. Exchanges of sex for extreme rewards.

No. I think you overestimate the frequency of this happening. Most people don't want to give sex for opportunities.

Most of the people I've met just want their unique talent to be recognized and honored.

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Post by subpixel »

kgwxd wrote: post #62
subpixel wrote: post #9

I’m reminded of an axiom, which I will paraphrase: Everything is about sex. Except sex, which is about power.

Says more about the speaker than sex itself. Sounds like the words of someone with mental health issues.

A more nuanced critique is to be found via the podcast "Sex Power Money", by Sara Pascoe.

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Post by rectang »

zajio1am wrote: post #155
rectang wrote: post #90

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Except that most sexual assault victims just get literally fucked and don't save 40 years of bad work. People generally perceive winner-take-all economies like the music industry through this same fallacious lens: they assume that the star experience is the norm and ignore the long tail. The music industry is a high-profile but economically tiny; it is not representative of the wider economy, and the star experience…

> Except that most sexual assault victims just get literally fucked and don't save 40 years of bad work. But sexual assault is offtopic in this thread. OP discussed voluntary exchange and not sexual assault.

The generic term "abuse" would have been more precise, and I have used it elsethread. However, it is common for these incidents to take the form of sexual assault: see Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves, etc. In any case, "voluntary exchange" is a spectacularly inapt way to characterize sexual coercion by entertainment industry executives.

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Post by curation »

thn-gap wrote: post #44
nabla9 wrote: post #13

It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

Thousands of employees devote already 1/3 of their life doing a work they despise just so they can avoid starving. Getting literally fucked to save 40 years of bad work doesn't sound too bad.

I thought so. At 20 I used to go out dancing every night for fun. After being repeatedly groped I decided I should get paid for dancing. It was a perfect decision. But not for the money. The thing is it's not the 'getting literally fucked' that is bad. It's that when you choose that as a way to avoid starving their is a social cost: You are a fucking dirty whore. And it follows you the rest of your life. I became a sex worker activist because in Toronto being a stripper/sex worker meant no protection from the law (if cops found you doing a lap dance or on the street they arrest you if you don't give them a hand job (stripper) blow job (hooker).

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by znpy »

The article is from nine hours ago.

The interesting part will come, maybe, in the next days.

It's going to be interesting if somebody from the pop scenes comes out to confirm those claims, in a sort of "me too" fashion.

I mean, I would really like to see this topic discussed by more people in the industry. If anything, to help put an end to this kind of practices.

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Post by A12-B »

voldacar wrote: post #75
A12-B wrote: post #26

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I've always thought this phrase is a bit silly. It completely erases the existence of asexual people and their goals and ambitions.

Asexual people actually are the ones erasing their own existence. On a generational timescale, at least

Not really, because asexuality is not an inheritable trait, as far as i understand. It wouldn't have lasted this long in humanity if it was (maybe there were asexuals who have been forced to have sex? I don't know).

It can also just be a lifestyle choice. We wouldn't call this asexuality probably, but nevertheless if someone chooses not to have sex it's kind of a spit in the face to say that everything from work to relaxation is undertaken because of some sex->power pipeline.

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Post by A12-B »

Clewza313 wrote: post #88
A12-B wrote: post #77

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It's ok. If you even slightly hint at being self righteous or virtuous you will get downvoted. I saw it coming the second I said 'asexual people exist', which is just a declarative statement of fact and nothing more.

They got downvotes because it's not relevant to the point of the saying. Which this little flap just underlined, because asexuality is defined as a lack of interest in sex, once again demonstrating that everything is indeed about sex (or lack thereof).

Not really. That's like saying everything is about food because even when it's not about food, it's still about food in relation to something else. You still have to prove everything is about sex, or we can do this with any object and assert it as true.
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