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Always Bet on Text (2014)

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Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, svg is text. The jpg/png icon will pixelate when zoomed, but svg will retain its quality no matter how much you zoom in... :)

> svg is text. If SVG counts as text, then text is just binary. The encoding is not important, the final result (an image you see on a screen, in the case of SVG) is. Besides, try reading out the actual SVG source text to someone and see if they can tell you what the image you are describing is. I dunno about you, but I find thinking in terms of paths and strokes to be rather meaningless. Or another example, do you c…

Is math that you not understand, really text?

Is human comprehensibility a pre-requisive to be called text? What if there was a written language no one understood, would that be text? What if someone broke the code for it? Would it suddenly become text?

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#162

The gist of what he's saying is pretty sound, but he should have gone deeper. For a deeper argument on the importance of "text", the written word, exposition - I recommend reading Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death . People here are suggesting that images/video are superior, but there's the cliche, "a picture is worth a thousand words". Well, which thousand words? Do they convey the same thousand words to you as th…

I prefer text simply because I can read the same text faster than anyone could dictate it to me. Plus I can CTRL+F through text.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#163
Text and more broadly natural language is actually a stunningly low-bandwidth form of communication. The reason it works so well despite being low-bandwidth is that we humans share an incredible amount of shared experience and common knowledge, and so the limited amount of information in text can refer to a much wider set of knowledge and assumptions and our brains are able to make inferences and use context in a remarkable way to fill in the blanks.

To take an analogy, think of writing text as analogous to compressing data using a Huffman code. Our ideas correspond to the initial uncompressed data, natural language text corresponds to compressions of those source data, while our brains correspond to the Huffman tree that tells you how to decompress. With our brains/context we can recover the initial ideas, just like with the Huffman tree we can recover the uncompressed data. Without the Huffman tree, the compressed data are gibberish.

On the one hand this means that text is really powerful as the author says; we can store an incredible amount of information in a small amount space, and can reconstruct the source idea the text represents efficiently (if with some amount of ambiguity and error).

On the other hand text is very far from universal. Anyone who sees the Twitter logo sees the exact same thing (interpreting it as a bird, of course, requires the prior knowledge of what a bird is and looks like). However, anyone who sees a piece of text not only needs to understand the language it's written in, but also all of the ideas that it refers to. That's why we still have many examples of languages and texts that are undecipherable: we've lost the context they were originally written in. Even Egyptian hieroglyphics were undecipherable until the 1800s when people used the Rosetta stone to provide context to decipher it.

Text has further issues as well, chief among them its ambiguity. Not only is it easy to under-specify things in text, but it's also possible for the same piece of text to mean different things at different times and places.

As a culture these issues may be strengths; poetry and literature derive strength from this openness to interpretation, and many would argue so does law where statutes written centuries ago can be adapted to our time. But from a purely data storage and transmission perspective, these are clear weaknesses.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#164
This feels like an arbitrary perspective.

Text has all the same properties as an image.

It’s a composite of elements of varying height, width, and meaning to the whole.

Some sentences can be longer, or shorter. One element can be overloaded with meaning more than another.

I’m not really sure if there’s a point here at all.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#166

Apples and oranges. The post states that the used Twitter logo PNG is 4000 bytes, while it's only 723. Try to express that logo in text, English language and in all its details with 723 characters, so you are able to reproduce a pixel perfect representation. Not even possible with 4000 characters anyway. Don't bother. Text will be ambiguous, unless you describe every single detail. If the target is to communicate "Tw…

>Nothing of this is actually true, period. Could you kindly verify that by repeating your post using something other than what amounts to a text file? If not maybe that's an even truer seal of irony.

I read from parent's point that what you are trying to communicate matters. I take from that, that text works sometimes, and sometimes something else is a better form of communication.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#168
post #164

This feels like an arbitrary perspective. Text has all the same properties as an image. It’s a composite of elements of varying height, width, and meaning to the whole. Some sentences can be longer, or shorter. One element can be overloaded with meaning more than another. I’m not really sure if there’s a point here at all.

I like how the modern meme can capture an entire gestalt in 640x480 px. It's an extremely efficient means of communicating amongst people.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#169
The author may have overstated his case, but I hope the designers of GUI applications are listening: most of the icons on your menu bars mean nothing to me, so your application is hard to use. Substitute words.

Re: Always Bet on Text (2014)

#170

The gist of what he's saying is pretty sound, but he should have gone deeper. For a deeper argument on the importance of "text", the written word, exposition - I recommend reading Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death . People here are suggesting that images/video are superior, but there's the cliche, "a picture is worth a thousand words". Well, which thousand words? Do they convey the same thousand words to you as th…

> Words leave nothing to the imagination.

Words leave plenty to the imagination too. Interpreting what authors might've meant in books is all we ever did in English classes in school. Interpreting what the founding fathers might've meant in the Constitution is also a fierce public debate.

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