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New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by H8crilA »

Grustaf wrote: post #157
H8crilA wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the most profitable businesses on the planet (large margins / overpriced products on a giant volume), they really don't need or care about any kickstarter. You want to influence the company - get > $200B worth of shares to agree with you and then get a board seat. Anything else won't matter (and even then it won't be easy due to the track record of current management). Edit: Anyone care to explain what…

Pretty sure kickstarter was a joke, we all know Apple is huge and make their own inscrutable decisions.

Thanks, this really flew over my head then :)

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by nottorp »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #148
nottorp wrote: post #130

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I run my usb-c macbook pro with a 3rd party magnetic charge only usb-c cable without issues so yes, it's already been done. However, as opposed to magsafe there's a tiny dongle that stays in the usb-c port. Also, the magnet is weaker than in the old apple magsafes.

In my opinion, MagSafe 2 set the gold standard in weak magnets.

No no no. I have my old magsafe 2 laptop and my new usb-c laptop with 3rd party magnetic. Trust me, Magsafe 2 is stronger.

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Post by runawaybottle »

Hamuko wrote: post #9
runawaybottle wrote: post #6

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Yeah, plus more ports. Touchbar was interesting, but not a killer feature. Sounds like the upgrade devs were looking for.

The thing about Touch Bar is that you can't really integrate it as part of your workflow if you ever dock your computer and use an external keyboard.

The touchbar is a whole bunch of tech they manufacture that seems to add little value. I expect it to cut cost and complexity in the most obvious way (literally just shave off 65 dollars from the laptop, regain some space if possible). Make the function keys super small and increase track pad size, or add more vents.

Another rumor: https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/29/apple-researching-keybo...

^ This might be the first iteration setting up for the end state of what will be the long term vision.

Exciting, love seeing them grind out the little (but ambitious) improvements on what most companies would consider ‘perfect as is’ product.

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For Apple at this point, I think, getting people to buy a 1100 MacBook + AirMax headphones is better than trying to get them buy not-so-obvious high end $1600 laptop.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by toomanybeersies »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #109
adrr wrote: post #59

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It will probably be physical keys with screens in them. As seen in this patent. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/29/apple-researching-keybo... Mag safe is going to be on the charging cable and not the computer. Like on old game consoles with wired controllers.

The main issue of this is just like with touchbar and similar solutions - power users don't look at the keyboard, so the usefulness will be minimal.

I think HN is a bit unfairly biased against the touchbar, since it serves almost zero purpose for programming work.

However, it's quite handy when doing multimedia work with applications that integrate with the touchbar (Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro, Photoshop)

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Post by toomanybeersies »

twelve40 wrote: post #84
switz wrote: post #66

If anyone from Apple is reading, let me just say – this is exactly what I want. Magsafe charging. Function keys instead of the touchbar. 15-16" screen. M1 CPU. 32GB Memory. I also prefer the 2015 keyboard, but it's not a dealbreaker. I'll pay for the kickstarter now if it means it'll come out in the next 18 months. Please make it happen.

yes, but also the damn trackpad. I feel like i'm getting carpal tunnel just trying to avoid swiping the damn thing with my palm it's so freaking huge. Been 3+ years still feels like it's designed specifically to get in the way of my work.

Maybe I just have big hands or a weird typing posture, but my wrists usually sit either side of the trackpad. Even if they didn't, my trackpad doesn't register my palms as a touch (pretty sure this is a standard feature in most modern laptops).

I haven't used a physical mouse for work in about 5 years, and every time the trackpad gets larger, I'm even less inclined to get a mouse.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by villgax »

square_usual wrote: post #38

I know it's from Kuo, but these leaks don't pass the smell test for me. It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. It makes even less sense to add more ports which aren't USB-C, as the bits about MagSafe and no dongles imply. Further, I don't understand what is meant by "iPhone 12 like" non-curvy design - I have a 2018 MBP 15", and the s…

He means the lid surfaces on the top & bottom not the curved corners

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by Tade0 »

square_usual wrote: post #38

I know it's from Kuo, but these leaks don't pass the smell test for me. It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. It makes even less sense to add more ports which aren't USB-C, as the bits about MagSafe and no dongles imply. Further, I don't understand what is meant by "iPhone 12 like" non-curvy design - I have a 2018 MBP 15", and the s…

> It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions.

Perhaps the idea is that those who buy the base model - regular consumers - like the touchbar, and those who buy the higher-end versions, that is, professionals - don't.

I'm sure some pricing specialist figured that out. Say what you want about Apple, but their sales department knows how to squeeze as much revenue from their customers as they can.

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Post by toomanybeersies »

yoz-y wrote: post #65
simonmales wrote: post #37

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Ah, I thought the whole bringing back of the Scissor mechanism had brought the glory back. Reminds me of a blog post (via HN of course) that discussed how Apple is hurting itself by being obsessed with making devices smaller (Ugh, can't find the link). A friend was grilling his boss who was fan boying over a particular iPhone release. Where the device was 10% thinner. In the real world it was a 1mm difference.

1mm for a phone is quite a bit though. Pursuing thinness (and thus lightness) makes a lot of sense for a device you lug everywhere with you.

Except that they make them thin at the expense of sturdiness, so everybody needs to get a case for their iPhone to avoid breaking the thing if they drop it more than a couple of feet.

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Post by oblio »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #152
oblio wrote: post #143

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They would be physical buttons, I don't understand your comment.

Why bother with screens on the keys if no one (read: power users) don't look at the keyboard Personally I think key with screens on them sounds interesting / novel / fun, at least for a week or two, maybe longer.

A lot of power users look at their keyboards. Touch typists are a very small minority, even among power users. At least pure touch typists (people who only touch type).

And these computers are not purely for power users.

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Post by kalleboo »

adrr wrote: post #59
square_usual wrote: post #38

I know it's from Kuo, but these leaks don't pass the smell test for me. It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. It makes even less sense to add more ports which aren't USB-C, as the bits about MagSafe and no dongles imply. Further, I don't understand what is meant by "iPhone 12 like" non-curvy design - I have a 2018 MBP 15", and the s…

It will probably be physical keys with screens in them. As seen in this patent. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/29/apple-researching-keybo... Mag safe is going to be on the charging cable and not the computer. Like on old game consoles with wired controllers.

MagSafe on the cable would work poorly because people would leave the laptop end in the port and stick it in their backpack and bump and ruin it. Apple wouldn't go for a design like that (same reason they have the charging port on the bottom of the mouse - people would leave it plugged in all the time and wear out the cable/port)
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