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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by rtkwe »

tylerhou wrote: post #33
drocer88 wrote: post #10

"Friday night one of the top trending tweets on Twitter was 'Hang Mike Pence.' But AWS has no plans nor has it made any threats to suspend Twitter’s account." Is this true?

According to NYT, many of the tweets were discussing the fact that demonstrators were shouting the phrase. The tweets themselves allegedly were not directly inciting violence. > Mr. Matze pointed to the fact that Twitter had recently promoted the phrase “Hang Mike Pence” as a trending topic. (The majority of the discussion on Twitter was about rioters chanting the phrase about the vice president on Wednesday.) “I hav…

Yeah I see weird trending things a lot on Twitter then go to see what happening and it's people talking about the weird Trend they saw.

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Post by djsumdog »

burke wrote: post #87
meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

A salient difference is that Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation, when push comes to shove. Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. Even if they win this one, the writing is on the wall for them. EDIT: This is not as true as I thought. Interesting information below!

> Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation

You are not really watching if you think that is what is happening. They are controlling the narrative. They are promoting some topics and pushing down other. Facebook deleted WalkAway, a group that had full moderation, did not allow any posts which called for violence, and which was pure political speech. Reddit is deleting each and every sub that goes against what their management believes; over 2000 have been banned last year only.

They are not paying lip service. They are directing narrative. They are banning things they don't like. They are deciding which scientific exports are orthodox and which are banned. They are controlling language. They are controlling thought. If you don't think that's happening, then they are controlling your thoughts as well.

This is the most dangerous time for us to be in and this will not end well. Censorship is the tool of cowards. Censorship is the tool of authoritarians. We are literally watching Big Tech and Big Media openly rewrite history. We are in 1984 + Fahrenheit 451 and half of us have bought so far into this narrative of protectionism we do not see it at all.

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Post by hctaw »

chrisco255 wrote: post #48
hctaw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how is it indicative of collusion? Do you have evidence that they communicated with each other? If anything, the domino-like behavior (Google Play -> Apple ultimatum, AWS pulling support) suggests no one colluded about anything.

Did you watch the most recent Zuckerberg testimony in Congress? There, Senator Hawley grilled Zuckerberg about a communication platform, SENTRA, in which Twitter, Google, Facebook, absolutely are known to collaborate on who to ban and what to ban. He shows a screenshot in the hearing to Zuckerberg, and Mark is caught weaseling in his chair about it. That is collusion. https://rumble.com/vbru89-republican-senator-gril…

I don't really believe a single thing that comes out of Josh Hawley's mouth.

But if I did, that doesn't point to any kind of "collusion" over Parler, since those hearings occurred months ago.

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Post by chefkoch »

webXL wrote: post #98
AmericanChopper wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A terror attack was literally live streamed on Facebook.

Which one and why is live streaming (aka what TV news occasionally does) bad?

The one in Christchurch NZ was streamed by the shooter.

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Post by grier »

adamredwoods wrote: post #58
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #5

Paragraph 5 seems pretty damaging if AWS really did violate their contract as claimed.

> "Doing so is the equivalent of pulling the plug on a hospital patient onlife support. It will kill Parler’s business—at the very time it is set to skyrocket." I don't know if they can hold that true that people will be signing up per "skyrocket" metaphor. They can use past data, but cannot use unknown future data.

Isn't "being on life support" nearly the opposite of "set to skyrocket" from a service perspective?

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Post by chrisco255 »

tptacek wrote: post #92
chrisco255 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you watch the most recent Zuckerberg testimony in Congress? There, Senator Hawley grilled Zuckerberg about a communication platform, SENTRA, in which Twitter, Google, Facebook, absolutely are known to collaborate on who to ban and what to ban. He shows a screenshot in the hearing to Zuckerberg, and Mark is caught weaseling in his chair about it. That is collusion. https://rumble.com/vbru89-republican-senator-gril…

"Collusion" isn't generally a thing. Providers can lawfully cooperate for all sorts of reasons; the exceptions are the cases they can't, not the cases they can. For instance, providers could run private channels for banning users that spread CSAM (and I'd be surprised if they didn't).

And in doing so, they would be forming a centralized information cartel. And the opportunities for abuse of such systems is now more than apparent. They have effectively booted a Twitter competitor off the internet, working in concert. If that's not legal cause for antitrust action, then antitrust is no longer a thing.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

This is a pretty weasely argument from Glenn. Many of the people who invaded the Capitol weren’t arrested, period.

Sympathy for white supremacy within law enforcement is its own thorny issue, but we certainly shouldn’t let it deter us from taking action against places we know domestic terrorists plan their attacks.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

uncledave wrote: post #19
drocer88 wrote: post #10

"Friday night one of the top trending tweets on Twitter was 'Hang Mike Pence.' But AWS has no plans nor has it made any threats to suspend Twitter’s account." Is this true?

Twitter has a moderation policy and applied it. Parler didn’t and didn’t apply anything. Edit: also fuck everyone related to Parler. Read in detail: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p...

It's weird how inconsistent they are about it

Tweets from Ayatollah Khomeini talking about how Israel is a cancer[1] that needs to be violently eradicated[2] apparently don't run afoul of the "Glorification of Violence" policy. OTOH Trump's 2 tweets, which were tame in comparison, were bannable.

[1]: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784

[2]: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1263742339891298304

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Post by vmception »

caminocorner wrote: post #155

> However, Friday night one of the top trending tweets on Twitter was “Hang Mike Pence. This has been going on for 12 years. More evidence that both sides use Twitter for violence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/14/violent...

I would love to see Amazon drop Twitter and other large clients, and vice versa

I might drop everything and start building data center myself if that’s the case

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Post by jansan »

FalconSensei wrote: post #117
demygale wrote: post #64

Parler has a moderation policy and they don’t apply it. Content that promotes illegal activity is not protected free speech and is also prohibited by Parler’s policies. They selectively applied that moderation after they became popular with MAGA. Also, 4chan exists why can’t Parler find a host?

> Also, 4chan exists why can’t Parler find a host? Although I agree that 4chan is problematic sometimes, many people that just put blame on it don't actually use it. I remember when Netflix's Cuties was released, 4chan prohibited posting any image/video from the show

The German government maintains a blacklist of websites not suitable for minors. We can use this blacklist when setting up web access for children to block at least the worst websites (mainly porn). The last time I checked, 4Chan was not on that list.
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