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Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Enough of these political posts on HN. If I want to see them I would head to r/news or NY Times. Strongly opinionated conclusion supported by piecemeal information aiming to inspire meaningless online battles with strangers? No thanks.

> Enough of these political posts on HN.

You are under no obligation to view or comment on posts that are not of interest to you. Should you care very strongly against a submission or comment, you can always flag them.

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post #97

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Of course the CCP used those photos as propaganda to reenforce the arguably false narrative presented to mainland Chinese that the CIA was behind the resistance. The psychological aspect of warfare never ceases to amaze me.

Not everything is a propaganda there is some truth to it, given Hong Kong is the only ground left for US to try to destabilise China to slow its growth. This is also the reason China took hardline on Hong Kong as they see it as strategic weak spot. Moreover actions of China in Hong Kong are supported by majority of people in China. This tyranny of majority exists in democracy too, what happened in Kashmir is 100 time…

> No real death in over an year of violent protests by police firing

It’s just that the Hong Kong police is better at cover-ups.

A female protestors was found fully naked and dead at sea. A whistle-blower police officer confessed on a KBS documentary that the case was initially investigated as a murder case, but the higher-ups later forbade murder investigation, and hastily classified it as a “suicide”. [0]

Another man was seen suspiciously thrown out of a window at a disciplined services quarters (whose tenants are mostly police) [1], and yet the case wasn’t even investigated.

Neither of these cases is definite proof of Hong Kong police killing protestors. And yet without proper investigation, you can easily hide casualties even when there are.

I must stress that guns are forbidden in Hong Kong, whereas guns appeared in the Capitol Hill on Jan 6 among some protestors. It’s not surprising that Hong Kong police may have a milder response than the US police. You can’t compare apples to oranges.

[0] https://youtu.be/7y8f3l2Eve8?t=542

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/eo1l01/zoomed_ver...

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

#163

Enough of these political posts on HN. If I want to see them I would head to r/news or NY Times. Strongly opinionated conclusion supported by piecemeal information aiming to inspire meaningless online battles with strangers? No thanks.

I'm a relatively new user to HN. I've greatly appreciated how much more civil the conversations tend to be when compared to reddit. I have noticed, however, that news submissions, especially those which do not inherently have a technological aspect to them, tend to digress into what I can only assume are strongly held, but not adequately supported, opinions on the topic. These are then met by a flurry of flags. Furth…

Your [3] and [4] aren’t about most pro-democracy legislators being mass arrested under the National Security Law, and are irrelevant to the current discussion.

Your [2] and [5] are similar to the current post, and are both 3 days old. So the mass arrest of pro-democracy legislators using the National Security Law IS a new phenomenon: only 3 days old!

When political posts like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25661474 are allowed on Hacker News (by virtue of a “new phenomenon”), I guess this post can live on, too.

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MAD basically assures no hot war, it will be infrastructural hacks, IP theft, economic warfare, etc. moving forward.

> MAD basically assures no hot war Wait, wait, wait. That's not a fact, and in fact a known piece of propaganda. First. Even, an all out nuclear exchange in between superpowers, in an unrealistic scenario without counterstrikes, and zero nuclear attrition, a superpower like US, Russia, or China will "only" loose a low single digits of population. Communist countries not only wouldn't hesitate to do so, but have a his…

America has enough nukes to take out every population center in Asia before the day end tomorrow. It’s sad but true that nuclear power is so incredible that people haven’t dared move against it.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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post #152

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Not everything is a propaganda there is some truth to it, given Hong Kong is the only ground left for US to try to destabilise China to slow its growth. This is also the reason China took hardline on Hong Kong as they see it as strategic weak spot. Moreover actions of China in Hong Kong are supported by majority of people in China. This tyranny of majority exists in democracy too, what happened in Kashmir is 100 time…

Re: your link - Could you point me specifically to what you were referencing as part of saying "China is built by hard work of its people not by CCP"? Thanks in advance. The way to slow China's growth most efficiently is through economics; it's not the people of China that we want growth to slow for, the purpose and intent is to take power away from the CCP - to free the people of China, as in America and other Democ…

As mentioned in earlier comments Chinese system will collapse if people of China do not want it, live there to really understand how it works. Please read the history of China it has more revolutions than USA. CCP cannot function without the support of majority of people like a democratic system. It just works in a different way probably watch the video in the link it’s a good explanation [1].

Chinese system is different politically and it’s hard to say it’s good or bad for its people, given on the ground it has proved good for majority with suppression of minority (see the same happening in any democracy too, tyranny of majority). So unless democratic system can really save its minority they can’t be on higher ground. Also if one needs over a billon dollar to fight election and win top positions there are favours to be done, like what happens in two largest democracies of India and USA. So every system has its positive and negative.

If you want to bring about change in China then may be go there do something great for the people and if they find it better than existing system for their livelihood and better life they will change.

[1] https://www.ted.com/talks/eric_x_li_a_tale_of_two_political_...

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post #84

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> How many firearms, and ammo you can buy How would you feel if I advocated for arming communist rebels in your country? It's disturbing how normalized calls to violence are on HN when the violence happens far away.

US communist rebels can already go to a store and buy some assault rifles :D. So what is your point? Maybe the point is that armed people in a democracy is not that big of a deal, but armed people in a dictatorship can be a real problem.

> Maybe the point is that armed people in a democracy is not that big of a deal, but armed people in a dictatorship can be a real problem.

You can scroll down a couple posts to see people being outraged that those who stormed the Capitol had weapons and bombs with them. I wonder how cavalier your attitude remains when the guns are pointed at your face. Then again second amendment fanatics like you are already totally fine with school shootings.

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post #98

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Everything is A LITTLE BIT political. And we reserve the right on when to focus on the political or non political aspect. My pancake breakfast has ties to unions, lobbyists, international trade. Guess what, I’m just going to eat my pancakes.

>we reserve the right on when to focus on the political or non political aspect This is a perfect illustration of the privilege I was talking about, thank you.

You seem to believe you’ve found some absolute truths: “everything is political“, “disagreement implies privilege“. These systems of logic absolve you of: seeing the gradients of truth, making real efforts in understanding a situation, asking questions, and making up your own mind.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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Not everything is a propaganda there is some truth to it, given Hong Kong is the only ground left for US to try to destabilise China to slow its growth. This is also the reason China took hardline on Hong Kong as they see it as strategic weak spot. Moreover actions of China in Hong Kong are supported by majority of people in China. This tyranny of majority exists in democracy too, what happened in Kashmir is 100 time…

It's mostly CCP propaganda though if you actually talk to HK people and see how the majority of them tried to work within the system to "make the change" since the early 90s and fight for what was promised in the Basic Law[1] which was drafted by a committee with 36 representatives from China and 23 from HK. It promised that the Chief Executive of HK and its legislative council to be formed by an election.[2] The Chi…

There are two sides of coin in HK. People who supported violent protestors and people who didn’t. Like any other society some support govt and some do not.

People who support govt and not protestors their shops, restaurants, businesses vandalised and were constantly harassed. It became politically impossible to voice against the protestors due to fear of violence, know this first hand not by talking but living through it.

Please read the Basic Law and also the extradition bill [1]. Extradition being better was still opposed and ultimately National security law was passed to give teeth to administration to stop violent protests.

It’s the vehement majority of Hong Kong people who gave rights to reinterpret Basic Law to stem the flow of people from mainland China (since court of final appeal was going to allow spouses and children of Hong Kong residents from other parts of China to settle in HK). This is the same provision used for implementing National security law. So in HK people got what they asked for and also majority Chinese supported this action on HK. So like any democracy like USA and India a law which appease majority pass easily same happened here.

[1] https://www.legco.gov.hk/yr18-19/english/bills/b201903291.pd...

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Of course you can't hide it. And of course it's possible they may decide to attack Taiwan if it were attempted. It's also possible that not doing so _guarantees_ an attack by China. It's all a balance of probabilities. One could very well rationally decide the likelihood of China attacking Taiwan decreases by putting a base there. I'm not saying that conclusion is guaranteed correct, or that you should agree with it,…

Offer statehood first. If China attacks a US state, they've declared war.

Please stop taking HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar, or any flamewar. We've had to ask you this many times. It's starting to get not cool.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: this is worse than I thought. You've been posting tons of comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25700845. HN is not a site for nationalistic flamewar. If you keep doing this we're going to have to ban you. No (to address the objection someone is bound to come up with), I'm not a communist foreign agent. I'm just trying to spare this site from descending further into hell—or at least to stave that off a little longer: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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post #166

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US communist rebels can already go to a store and buy some assault rifles :D. So what is your point? Maybe the point is that armed people in a democracy is not that big of a deal, but armed people in a dictatorship can be a real problem.

> Maybe the point is that armed people in a democracy is not that big of a deal, but armed people in a dictatorship can be a real problem. You can scroll down a couple posts to see people being outraged that those who stormed the Capitol had weapons and bombs with them. I wonder how cavalier your attitude remains when the guns are pointed at your face. Then again second amendment fanatics like you are already totally…

Sorry, not from US, so also not a second amendment fanatic. I like the gun laws of EU better.

I was just pointing out the fact that "arming US fanatics" was a funny statement because they can just go out and buy guns anyway.

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