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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

bonoboTP wrote: post #149
gbrown wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but your take on social attitudes about porn is really strange and pretty misogynistic. > “ Some feel like porn gives unearned satisfaction to young men, a virtual substitute they don't have to work for.” What? Maybe extremist groups like the proud boys, but I’ve literally never heard this objection. People tend to worry more about socialization and the harmful psychological effects porn can have on peopl…

> What? Maybe extremist groups like the proud boys, but I’ve literally never heard this objection I meant this part as quite analogous to the drug debate. People dislike drug comsumers because they feel drugs are a cheat: you get unearned pleasure without having to work for it. You sidestep your noble duties of working and earning the fruits of your labours by short-circuiting and hooking your brain directly on to pl…

> People dislike drug comsumers because they feel drugs are a cheat: you get unearned pleasure without having to work for it.

While I can certainly imagine someone feeling this way, I've never thought this and I've never heard anyone express this perspective. I think you may be imagining too hard.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by lostgame »

lostgame wrote: post #4

As an asexual person, I wish this wasn’t the case, and I find it extremely triggering how hard it is to completely avoid adult content online. It certainly has had a negative affect on my mental health. I also find it ridiculous how services like PornHub and OnlyFans are featuring a lot of videos which clearly fetishizes borderline (okay, obvious) pedophilia, and, since its profitable, only pull it down when they mig…

Wow - I am amazed at the number of people commenting who might not realize I am a multiple time even recent victim of violent sexual assault - and no, it’s not just ‘mildly annoying’, it can send me into tears.

I’ve never seen such a lack of understanding or felt so personally attacked on HN before, as if you guys think I’m a pussy or something because you couldn’t imagine a case in which maybe, yes; it actually negatively affects my mental health.

To be honest - your stupid comments have affected my mental health, too; and I’m sorry for sharing. Ruined my morning for sure.

This is the most insensitive bullshit I have ever seen on HN and after ten years I might actually leave if this kind of insensitive hurtful bullshit continues. It’s not the first time I’ve been singled out for my orientation or sexuality here.

I have felt like HN was an LGTQBA+ friendly space for the decade I’ve been here but in the last year or two some of you have really chosen to show your true colours.

Fuck y’all’s insensitivity. I need a drink.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by Melting_Harps »

bonoboTP wrote: post #154
Melting_Harps wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nudity may be less stigmatized than in America, but prostitution is not something normal people as just another job that they'd be happy if their daughter chose it. On the surface, people may seem more tolerant of it, but privately they definitely act differently. When I was in my last year of apprenticeship in Switzerland I managed one the estates of the owner's homes for most of the year while they worked in Bern…

Well, it's entirely possible that I'm underestimating how prude America is, as I haven't lived there. In some ways it seems America is quite hyperfixated on sex, but in very specific ways with specific taboos. Like nipples are the end of the world, but selling anything from cars to hamburgers with sexy women is A-OK. Just paste a sticker on the nipples at least, then it's fine. Cheerleaders, boxing ring sign holding…

> Well, it's entirely possible that I'm underestimating how prude America is, as I haven't lived there.

I think its incredibly distorted, the US overly sells Sex as an image to sell things and links it to everything it can.

Not least of which is porn and the Valley in SoCal as opposed to NorCal refers to the what was Ground Zero for Porn where all the old studios were based out of and was where most of the online stuff was created. Though Japan seems to have the highest production in terms of population-to-content if I recall correctly, which again coincides with bad economic situations, specifically under-employment and very low marriage/fertility rates.

Your edit was well timed, as you pretty much echo what I wrote. It's so weird... in University you're almost encouraged to do it all, but then when you get to the professional setting and you reach low level management position in an office setting you're briefed on sexual harassment so much you're almost terrified any encounter with the opposite sex will be deemed rape. It's horrible and really not that much of an issue as they want you to think it is when you really think about it as most encounters are brief and forgettable if you're busy working.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by lostgame »

enriquto wrote: post #27
lostgame wrote: post #4

As an asexual person, I wish this wasn’t the case, and I find it extremely triggering how hard it is to completely avoid adult content online. It certainly has had a negative affect on my mental health. I also find it ridiculous how services like PornHub and OnlyFans are featuring a lot of videos which clearly fetishizes borderline (okay, obvious) pedophilia, and, since its profitable, only pull it down when they mig…

> As an asexual person, (...) I find it extremely triggering how hard it is to completely avoid adult content online. I would have guessed that if I were asexual, then adult content would leave me completely indifferent, wouldn't it? If I am annoyed by adult content it's precisely because it's extremely distracting; sometimes, when I have work to do, I would prefer to be asexual (at least for a few hours).

I am asexual by choice due to several instances of violent sexual assault.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #92

This article gives me the same vibes of that comic strip set in a post apocalyptic wasteland: "But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders" . It reads like a parody of SV culture. Can some woke capitalist please tell me what's so empowering about women who are forced to sell body pics for a living? Should we thank OnlyFans for exploiting the lack of safety net in our society?

The overwhelming majority of us are "forced" to sell something for a living. Why make such a distinction between selling body pics versus manual labor?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by lostgame »

africanboy wrote: post #32
lostgame wrote: post #4

As an asexual person, I wish this wasn’t the case, and I find it extremely triggering how hard it is to completely avoid adult content online. It certainly has had a negative affect on my mental health. I also find it ridiculous how services like PornHub and OnlyFans are featuring a lot of videos which clearly fetishizes borderline (okay, obvious) pedophilia, and, since its profitable, only pull it down when they mig…

The outer World is not the place where people will find what comforts them. Imagine forcing asexuality on the vast majority of the people in the World (and in history) that are not asexual. The remarks around pedophilia sound more like a competitor trying to push an agenda against PornHub that a concerned citizen expressing an informed opinion. Pedophilia has been traveling on any medium the humans have invented thro…

I am a victim of multiple instances of violent sexual assault.

Should I get off the internet now?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by bonoboTP »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #161
bonoboTP wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What? Maybe extremist groups like the proud boys, but I’ve literally never heard this objection I meant this part as quite analogous to the drug debate. People dislike drug comsumers because they feel drugs are a cheat: you get unearned pleasure without having to work for it. You sidestep your noble duties of working and earning the fruits of your labours by short-circuiting and hooking your brain directly on to pl…

> People dislike drug comsumers because they feel drugs are a cheat: you get unearned pleasure without having to work for it. While I can certainly imagine someone feeling this way, I've never thought this and I've never heard anyone express this perspective. I think you may be imagining too hard .

It's interesting to hear because I've been assuming this is obviously why people don't like people taking drugs. That it will drive kids away from productive stuff like studying because the joy of achieving something like academic or athletic success can't keep up with the bliss that drugs provide.

Why else? Perhaps you mean that drugs physically harm you, like you will become a methhead or crackhead with your teeth falling out etc? But that requires really sliding down the deep end...

Perhaps I was raised differently. As a kid, my parents told me upfront that drugs are awesome and people do them because they are really enjoyable not because junkies are evil mutant monsters who like to destroy their lives, and that the awesomeness is the danger in them, that they are empty enjoyment without deeper achievements etc.

This was in contrast to school finger wagging lectures, which just said that drugs are baaad and you must learn to say NO or you will destroy your health and life and drugs are poison and terrible and will eat your flesh (slides showing the effects of krokodil, and shady people in alleyways). Which just confused me because why such a big deal about poison that destroys your life? Why would anyone do this if it's so straightforwardly bad?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by lostgame »

mam2 wrote: post #30
lostgame wrote: post #4

As an asexual person, I wish this wasn’t the case, and I find it extremely triggering how hard it is to completely avoid adult content online. It certainly has had a negative affect on my mental health. I also find it ridiculous how services like PornHub and OnlyFans are featuring a lot of videos which clearly fetishizes borderline (okay, obvious) pedophilia, and, since its profitable, only pull it down when they mig…

Wtf How can you know with that much details what's on OnlyFans if you don't like porn and (supposedly) don't go on it ? I like porn and I had not even heard of Onlyfans before 2 months ago.

Because unfortunately it sneaks it way onto shit like HN, and then I get a bunch of pissed off people telling me stop being such a pussy about it or ‘get off the internet’ when it’s because I AM A VICTIM OF VIOLENT SEXUAL ASSAULT.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by throw0101a »

kodah wrote: post #29

Porn always reminds me of other classical debates that have no end like guns and abortion. The camps of folks in the middle who are cognitively capable of making a difference can't because the outsized voices on either side of them are screaming for either total freedom or total shutdown. They actively fear monger people out of action so no real progress is made. It prevents the best coders and business people from w…

> Porn always reminds me of other classical debates that have no end like guns and abortion. The camps of folks in the middle who are cognitively capable of making a difference can't because the outsized voices on either side of them are screaming for either total freedom or total shutdown.

Conservatives and progressives/liberals have completely different world views:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Politics_(book)

There may be some underlying biological differences, that then get reinforced culturally (the old nature/nurture debate):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_political_orientat...

* https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/the-yuc...

* https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/conservative-and-...

* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/

Political polarization hasn't helped in trying to find a middle path between these views in recent years/decades:

* https://www.pewresearch.org/topics/political-polarization/

* https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/10/01/how-to-understand-g...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_polarization

Especially in the US, where it seems the Right has moved further over than the Left:

* https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/yes-pol...

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by computerphage »

Fargren wrote: post #147
ahelwer wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really? I can't think of the last time a prominent newspaper named & shamed a random working man for spending money on porn, whereas that happened with the NY Post and a paramedic with an onlyfans just last week. Your view of reality is wildly distorted.

Poe's Law is a terrible thing. I assume what you are replying to is sarcasm, because I can't fathom it being earnest.

I don't know enough to decide with certainty if the post in question is right, but it definitely seems earnest. I believe the poster sincerely holds those beliefs.
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