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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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I’m working on a ZOOM-alternative for online events and gatherings that uses twilio: https://lo.fish It is built on eilixir & will be open-sourced soon. (The next step I’m looking to make it E2E.) There are also existing ZOOM-alternatives like https://gather.town

Are you using the React-95 library for this?

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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I have brown friends who get searched every time they are pulled over or go through airport security. I have had friends who were told to STFU and take a frequenting ticket or spend the night in jail (and thus risk losing their minimum wage job). I even had a friend who was led to a cop car by the FBI but (thankfully) he refused to get in because there was a mysterious baggie in the back (which was surreptitiously sp…

Since we're cherrypicking, I was reading over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette#Notable_incid... and found this gem: On July 24, 1973, Dallas Police Officer Darrell L. Cain fatally shot Santos Rodriguez, a 12-year-old Mexican-American child, while interrogating him and his brother about a burglary. Cain shot Rodriguez while conducting Russian roulette on the brothers in an attempt to force a confession f…

The officer was charged and convicted and spent 2.5 (two and a half) years in jail. I'm 100% serious.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Is there anyone close to competitive in terms of user mindshare? We are on zoom. I'd love to get off. Google Meet? - others on gsuite domains blocked from joining, rules around having accounts etc? We need background replacement or blur. I tried before and couldn't really make it a success (and so confusing with hangouts, chat, talk, duo, allo etc). Background replacement not as good as zoom. Uberconference - audio l…

> We need background replacement or blur. Why?

It's a privacy and professionalism issue. Sales folks and others who need to maintain a businesslike facade are uncomfortable meeting potential customers in their makeshift home offices, disarrayed by homeschooled kids and other pandemic chaos.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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I’m working on a ZOOM-alternative for online events and gatherings that uses twilio: https://lo.fish It is built on eilixir & will be open-sourced soon. (The next step I’m looking to make it E2E.) There are also existing ZOOM-alternatives like https://gather.town

Are you using the React-95 library for this?

yup there is a link to it & its creator at the about page

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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It all new, Zoom actually is one of the pioneers.

WebEx (acquired by Cisco) had all of the core functionality before Zoom.

Yes but getting 10 people together on a WebEx call involved 15 minutes of tech support at the start of each meeting. It just wasn't as smooth.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

The degree to which charges predict things is the degree to which they serve as "evidence" for the purposes of prediction.

Perhaps, but once you've been falsely accused of something and have no alibi to clear your name, it will probably reshape for the rest of your life how you make decisions on such evidence.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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No, it’s just apples and oranges. The USA is a flawed constitutional republic that runs on a messy democratic process. It’s ugly sometimes, but it’s fundamentally good. The PRC is something else.

To be fair, the parent was not comparing those governments from a democracy standpoint, but was comparing their actions. Surely the Chinese government is currently more oppressive to its own population than the USG is, but it is also doubtlessly less oppressive to foreign populations, which may suggests that they differ in circumstances more than in essence and maybe why the parent equated them?

Tibetans might beg to differ on the CCP being less oppressive to foreign populations.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Is there anyone close to competitive in terms of user mindshare? We are on zoom. I'd love to get off. Google Meet? - others on gsuite domains blocked from joining, rules around having accounts etc? We need background replacement or blur. I tried before and couldn't really make it a success (and so confusing with hangouts, chat, talk, duo, allo etc). Background replacement not as good as zoom. Uberconference - audio l…

> We need background replacement or blur. Why?

I guess this is why folks can't catch up to zoom, which somehow has TOTALLY gotten what people want. They even support admin deployed virtual backdrops.

Our intern (who I'm sure is in a shared / crappy space) has a zoom background from their college they drop in - looks clean / professional and they can participate.

I snapped a shut from my zoom camera at the office, and use it as the background if I'm at home (with bed behind me not always made up, boxes from our move still stacked up). It's practically indistinguishable - I got rid of my green screen because the auto replace is that good on zoom.

I bill at $100/hr+. Maybe low by silicon valley standards, but people have expectations in my non tech field.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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> Jin’s co-conspirators created fake email accounts and Company-1 accounts in the names of others, including PRC political dissidents, to fabricate evidence that the hosts of and participants in the meetings to commemorate the Tiananmen Square massacre were supporting terrorist organizations, inciting violence or distributing child pornography. The fabricated evidence falsely asserted that the meetings included discu…

I think it's been mentioned on hn before, but it sure seems like we should look twice at anyone who gets charged with child pornography - could be someone getting framed.

> The FBI has used covert operations against domestic political groups since its inception... COINTELPRO tactics are still used to this day and have been alleged to include discrediting targets through psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups using forged documents and by planting false reports in the media; harassment; wrongful imprisonment; and illegal violence, including assassination. According to a senate report, the FBI's motivation was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order"

The court of public opinion is far more important than real courts. You only have to look at enlightened HN comments on Ross Ulbright to see it in action, nearly all are convinced he's guilty of a charge that never went to trial and was dismissed with prejudice, which is rare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

https://legaldictionary.net/dismissed-with-prejudice/

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